In Command NCSP3CM

[Scott klompas]

That will be my next trouble shooting. Still have to get to it.

 

[Scott klompas]

I will post with results on test. Thanks all for help.

 

[Viper02]

Well was the issue ever resolved ?

 

[Scott klompas]

Not yet, I will be opening up the bottom tomorrow to check out power and fuses.

 

[Viper02]

Every thing you need to see and work on is located right inside the battery / hyd pump door. No need to open up the bottom of anything

 

[Gamma]

I have an incommand controller, I'm looking for where the fuses are located for the slides. It's posted as 30amp but can't located them Any

My unit has a handful of inline fuses tucked to the left of the hydraulic pump in the front storage compartment.

 

[Viper02]

My unit has a handful of inline fuses tucked to the left of the hydraulic pump in the front storage compartment.

If you have a handful of fuses to the left of the pump then you have the Equalizer Hydraulic system installed.. OP has a Lippert hydraulic system... wired totally different

BUT.. some Lippert hydraulic units controlled via In Command May or may not have the black box the OP posted that allows separate hydrauilc slide control

If you have that box and your system is Lippert then you would want to read the PDFs regarding over current damage to that box

 

[Scott klompas]

Problem resolved. Found four 10 amp fuses which looked good but failed continuity test. They were inside front cabinet besides hydraulic pump on wall behind battery station. Thanks for everyone input.

 

[Viper02]

You will want to read these PDFs regarding that box with the wiring.

 

[Gamma]

You will want to read these PDFs regarding that box with the wiring.

Thanks for those, looks like some high current zeners neet to be in my sos box for field repairs!

 

[Gamma]

If you have a handful of fuses to the left of the pump then you have the Equalizer Hydraulic system installed.. OP has a Lippert hydraulic system... wired totally different

BUT.. some Lippert hydraulic units controlled via In Command May or may not have the black box the OP posted that allows separate hydrauilc slide control

If you have that box and your system is Lippert then you would want to read the PDFs regarding over current damage to that box

I did not see where he said he had lippert but apparently he has eq systems as that suggestion was the issue. Every 21/22 alpine I have seen were EQ.

 

[Viper02]

I did not see where he said he had lippert but apparently he has eq systems as that suggestion was the issue. Every 21/22 alpine I have seen were EQ.

Nope .. that’s simply not the case with all 2022 Alpines .. his issue was with a fuse powering the NCSPC box for slide to BCM interface

The EQ hydrauilc system was not kept in the Alpines after it was introduced for very long because of customer complaints and total lack of accurate support from either Keystone or EQ Hyd Systems …

 

[Gamma]

Nope .. that’s simply not the case with all 2022 Alpines .. his issue was with a fuse powering the NCSPC box for slide to BCM interface

The EQ hydrauilc system was not kept in the Alpines after it was introduced for very long because of customer complaints and total lack of accurate support from either Keystone or EQ Hyd Systems …

It’s odd your mention of total lack of support, maybe things have changed since 22, from my perspective I have used EQ systems online support form 3 times, 2 for operational questions and once for parts and they responded in 24 hours or less each time with the correct information or part number I needed and helpful hints to do the keypad membrane replacement myself. The system has never failed beyond a ripped rubber keypad which was not a failure (yet). Keystone however is another story. I have contacted their support with poor results. When I buy again i will be looking at Grand Design or Brinkley as Keystone is a one and done for me. Not sure if it is because I own a covid year unit but assembly looks like a bunch of hacks slapped it together with total disregard to any form of pride in workmanship.

 

[NH_Bulldog]

We looked at Grand Design before we bought our Cougar. They (GD) are NOT what they used to be, nor was Jayco which we left after having nothing but trouble with them. We have experienced nothing but much higher quality and excellent customer service with Keystone and every component manufacturer we have dealt with. We looked at so many poorly put together GD units that my wife started referring to them as Not-so-Grand Design. Perhaps the pendulum swings from one side or the other from time to time, or manufacturers are coming to terms that they lost a lot of consumer confidence due to Covid and are trying to make up for it? I think someone on here bought a Brinkley and seemed happy with it, but for the price you really don't get much more.

 

[JRTJH]

The last GD fifth wheels I looked at didn't seem to be as well constructed as the comparable Keystone brands. As an example, Keystone builds with "solid floors" in the passthrough. The GD passthrough floor between the rails was solid, but the two drop down sections on the outer sides of the rails was plastic "buckets" screwed to the trailer sidewalls and slipped under the solid flooring at the rail edges. The plastic may be as durable as a solid floor, but I can visualize putting a heavy tool box next to the passthrough door so I can access it if needed and arriving at a campsite with a hole in the plastic and no tools... That plastic may hold up, but just comparing Keystone to GD, I'd opt for Keystone over the potential risk of broken plastic trays open below to the roadway below the tray.

I know there's lots of GD trailers on the road, and they may be OK, but those plastic trays just seem a step down from Keystone's carpeted/vinyl covered passthrough floors.

 

[chuckster57]

I was employed at a GD dealer when Winnebago bought them. I saw the change very soon, and it was clear to me that standards weren’t the same.

 

[Viper02]

I’d be looking long at hard at and GD fifth wheel.. with all the frame lag bolt issues , frame cracks, nah.. my older 2014 Alpine will outlast them all

 

[Gamma]

We looked at Grand Design before we bought our Cougar. They (GD) are NOT what they used to be, nor was Jayco which we left after having nothing but trouble with them. We have experienced nothing but much higher quality and excellent customer service with Keystone and every component manufacturer we have dealt with. We looked at so many poorly put together GD units that my wife started referring to them as Not-so-Grand Design. Perhaps the pendulum swings from one side or the other from time to time, or manufacturers are coming to terms that they lost a lot of consumer confidence due to Covid and are trying to make up for it? I think someone on here bought a Brinkley and seemed happy with it, but for the price you really don't get much more.

Couple of things I'll mention but we are hijacking the thread. I love the layout of my Alpine, it looks fantastic, it's comfortable, appliances are all fine, the hydraulics are solid, on demand water heater has been flawless, but then there are many odd things that should not fly out the door. Those plastic connectors they use to connect 120v romex cable, many locking tabs were broken and instead of replacing the connector they slapped a piece of tape on them which has since dried and loosened (fire hazard). Ceiling fan box incorrectly installed (too low), fan was broken by slides. No heat from floor register in the bed and bath due to entire pile of wire that connects to the in command computer was laying on the flex duct and crushed it. Rear camera always on, will drain the battery if parked without disconnecting it. Only one wire was able to be found in the internet gateway prewire, can't use that. Most power outlets you can see the rough cutout as it's larger than the faceplate by small amounts, many outlets were broken on one end. A couple outlets didn't work as they broke the part that crushes the wire into the back and thought a piece of tape would hold it. They likely used an air tool to fasten the toilet flange and cracked it in several places, just left it (and it leaked blackwater into the basement and lower coroplast). A/C ducts crushed in a bunch of places, alumatape missing and many large gaps in ductwork at air outlets. Many loose screws as they missed the target brace and were spun into 1/4" panel. Some outside doors are not cut properly and the doors are skewed a bit. Almost every one of the 16 screws holding down the skylight was tightened until the plastic broke so the added more (a total of 60, no kidding), it leaked and looked like it was hit with lap sealant 3 or 4 times. I had to replace it and glue some poplar strips on the inside so the screws would hit something as the original sheathing was literally perforated. Half the wet bolts won't allow grease to enter, had to remove them and drill out the solid dried grease, cheap grease? Maybe the axle sat in the factory for the 1st year of covid? And a half dozen more issues. I assume it must have been a don't care staff during covid is the blame. Other than that it's been great. The frames not cracked! About to go across the US and Canada again this year. I guess that now I have repaired all that I should keep it. Don't ask about the dealer as it was 6 months old when I bought it so, used and from Camping World, that should explain that. I hope yours is made with more care.

So I looked (closely) at a Brinkley and found the workmanship to be of better quality. I pulled a drawer out and peeked behind a basement panel I found some messes but nowhere near what I have experienced.