Ford Diesel Truck Recall

[NH_Bulldog]

Ford Motor Company is recalling 295,449 diesel-engine trucks because a defective fuel pump could cause a loss of power, raising the risk of a crash, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Tuesday.

"Biodiesel deposits may form on the pump drivetrain roller components, which could lead to failure of the high pressure fuel pump," the NHTSA stated.

Drivers whose vehicles are affected by the faulty fuel pump may experience "extended crank while starting, a Check Engine Light (CEL), noise and reduced engine power," recall documents show.

As of Tuesday, Ford was not aware of any reports of accidents, injuries or fires linked to the fuel pump problem.

The recall applies to the following truck models:

2020-2022 Ford Super Duty F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-600
2021-2022 Ford F-650, F-750

Ford dealers will update the powertrain control module software free of charge, according to the automaker. Notification letters are expected to be mailed to owners of affected vehicles on Jan. 13, 2025. Owners may contact Ford customer service at 1-866-436-7332; Ford's number for this recall is 24S78.

Interesting how they call it a defective fuel pump, yet they can "fix" it by flashing the software? Reason #183 I love my 7.3L Godzilla motor.

 

[Cattlerancher]

Ford Motor Company is recalling 295,449 diesel-engine trucks because a defective fuel pump could cause a loss of power, raising the risk of a crash, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Tuesday.

"Biodiesel deposits may form on the pump drivetrain roller components, which could lead to failure of the high pressure fuel pump," the NHTSA stated.

Drivers whose vehicles are affected by the faulty fuel pump may experience "extended crank while starting, a Check Engine Light (CEL), noise and reduced engine power," recall documents show.

As of Tuesday, Ford was not aware of any reports of accidents, injuries or fires linked to the fuel pump problem.

The recall applies to the following truck models:

2020-2022 Ford Super Duty F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-600
2021-2022 Ford F-650, F-750

Ford dealers will update the powertrain control module software free of charge, according to the automaker. Notification letters are expected to be mailed to owners of affected vehicles on Jan. 13, 2025. Owners may contact Ford customer service at 1-866-436-7332; Ford's number for this recall is 24S78.

Interesting how they call it a defective fuel pump, yet they can "fix" it by flashing the software? Reason #183 I love my 7.3L Godzilla motor.

A year back or so, they tried to get me to bring in my 2022 F350 diesel, but I didn’t. Then they wanted me to bring it in for a defective wiper arm. I called about the wiper arm, but told them I would not allow them to mess with my engine controller. They said I had to sign something. So I DID NOT bring the truck in. I do not trust them, and I feel that they have an alternative plan in reprogramming the engine controller which will most likely give you worse mileage and may make other adjustments that you would not want done. The next recall goes into the trash as well. I truck runs fine, and it doesn’t need fake adjustments. My wiper still works and has not fallen off the truck. Mileage is as bad as my previous trucks, so I don’t need to make it worse.

 

[Rhagfo]

Ford Motor Company is recalling 295,449 diesel-engine trucks because a defective fuel pump could cause a loss of power, raising the risk of a crash, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration said on Tuesday.

"Biodiesel deposits may form on the pump drivetrain roller components, which could lead to failure of the high pressure fuel pump," the NHTSA stated.

Drivers whose vehicles are affected by the faulty fuel pump may experience "extended crank while starting, a Check Engine Light (CEL), noise and reduced engine power," recall documents show.

As of Tuesday, Ford was not aware of any reports of accidents, injuries or fires linked to the fuel pump problem.

The recall applies to the following truck models:

2020-2022 Ford Super Duty F-250, F-350, F-450, F-550, F-600
2021-2022 Ford F-650, F-750

Ford dealers will update the powertrain control module software free of charge, according to the automaker. Notification letters are expected to be mailed to owners of affected vehicles on Jan. 13, 2025. Owners may contact Ford customer service at 1-866-436-7332; Ford's number for this recall is 24S78.

Interesting how they call it a defective fuel pump, yet they can "fix" it by flashing the software? Reason #183 I love my 7.3L Godzilla motor.

Well I also find it interesting that they can fix a deposit build up in the fuel pump, with a software flash. Just how does a change to the software removed the deposits???

Got to ask, was your 7.3 included in the lifter recall? I wonder how increasing the idle speed to 1,000 rpm to increase oil flow, affects the torque converter lock up.

I know I am a bit leery to have the emissions recall done on our 2016 Ram, post on the Ram forum point to issues after the recall is done.

 

[NH_Bulldog]

I have a 2022 (just turned 60,000 miles about a third of which has been towing). We have been highly satisfied with the truck and motor/transmission despite it being built in the height of Covid.

The 7.3L lifter issue wasn’t a recall but a customer satisfaction program for certain Super Duty’s related to the oil pump output volume at idle.

You can enter your VIN at the Ford website for any recalls or CSP’s: https://www.ford.com/support/recalls-details/

 

[Raptor Dave]

So wait a minute....
This a recall? or it isn't a recall?
If the truck was purchased off secondary market, will a recall letter be issued to the current owner? or to the original owner only?
If the second choice, does the original owner then need to contact a dealer for "recall" fixes? or can the current owner do this?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

 

[GaryUT]

If the truck was purchased off secondary market, will a recall letter be issued to the current owner? or to the original owner only?
If the second choice, does the original owner then need to contact a dealer for "recall" fixes? or can the current owner do this?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

You can go to the NHTSA website and enter the VIN number. It will show any outstanding recalls on your vehicle.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/

Gary

 

[Notanlines]

From Google: “ The vehicle recall letters are sent to the current owner of a car, meaning they will follow the new owner if they bought a used car, as long as the vehicle registration is updated with their current address; manufacturers use vehicle registration data to send recall notices based on the VIN number. “

 

[Raptor Dave]

You can go to the NHTSA website and enter the VIN number. It will show any outstanding recalls on your vehicle.

https://www.nhtsa.gov/

Gary

Thank you.

 

[Peto]

They need to just recall the CP4 and fix it right but that would be expensive as heck.

They would rather spend money on lawyers supporting denied claims for the failure.

 

[JRTJH]

Ford seems to have a way of prolonging the agony with owners...

My 2015 SuperDuty 6.7l had a "emissions sensor computer flash" as a "customer satisfaction program". When my DEF heater stopped working properly, Ford replaced the DEF heater/pump and reprogrammed the sensor computer system. They told me it was a simple change in how the computer monitors the emissions sensors and that if anything went wrong in the next 24 months, it was covered by another "customer satisfaction program"...

Well, about 2 weeks after getting my truck back with a new DEF heater assembly, it went into limp mode and I "idled my way from home to the dealership"... They diagnosed the "torpedo" as bad and the cost was "around $7 or 8 thousand... Thankfully, the CSP covered the repairs. Only problem was that all this occurred during COVID and my truck sat behind the Ford dealership for almost 6 months waiting for parts which they said were not available. All that time, Ford was producing around 12,000 SuperDuty trucks a month at the Tennessee plant. All of those diesel trucks had the same part number "torpedo" under them....

So, a "registered mail, return receipt requested" letter to the Ford CEO (Jim Farley) asking him to produce one less new Ford and ship that damned torpedo to the Gaylord Ford dealer for my truck, got the parts order upgraded to "parts delivery within 72 hours.

Since that repair, my truck has run properly with no issues.... But, NOPE... I'm not about to let them "reflash the computer, it's not a big thing" ever again !!!!!

It sure sounds like Ford is not fixing the C4 pump issue, they're changing the "CEL parameters" so the check engine light stays off until the pump self destructs and it's not covered by the software upgrade....

 

[Stircrazy]

Well I also find it interesting that they can fix a deposit build up in the fuel pump, with a software flash. Just how does a change to the software removed the deposits???

it improves the cooling to the area by changing some of the parameters from what I have been reading, which will reduce the built up of deposits. what I find funny how when we have been having cp4's fail before the 2020 models nothing older is included. and its all the fault of bio diesel. which it could be, maybe this is just the failure mode that they can control?

 

[JRTJH]

it improves the cooling to the area by changing some of the parameters from what I have been reading, which will reduce the built up of deposits. what I find funny how when we have been having cp4's fail before the 2020 models nothing older is included. and its all the fault of bio diesel. which it could be, maybe this is just the failure mode that they can control?

Looking back at the "6.7L diesel door emblem" starting in 2011, bio-diesel has been a "big part of Ford's diesel capability"... But the recall only includes 2020 trucks and newer ???

Hmmmmm

 

[NH_Bulldog]

Yes, because in the auto manufacturers infinite “wisdom” they ditched the tried and true time-tested and extremely reliable CP3 fuel pump and went to a European Bosch CP4 fuel pump.

Euro-diesel is higher quality (cleaner) than our diesel so while the CP4 is okay for them, it wreaks havoc for us here in North America.

 

[Raptor Dave]

And I'll dog pile on with adding that stupid "fuel exhaust cleaner" DEF.
:ny3:

 

[jasin1]

Ford seems to have a way of prolonging the agony with owners...

My 2015 SuperDuty 6.7l had a "emissions sensor computer flash" as a "customer satisfaction program". When my DEF heater stopped working properly, Ford replaced the DEF heater/pump and reprogrammed the sensor computer system. They told me it was a simple change in how the computer monitors the emissions sensors and that if anything went wrong in the next 24 months, it was covered by another "customer satisfaction program"...

Well, about 2 weeks after getting my truck back with a new DEF heater assembly, it went into limp mode and I "idled my way from home to the dealership"... They diagnosed the "torpedo" as bad and the cost was "around $7 or 8 thousand... Thankfully, the CSP covered the repairs. Only problem was that all this occurred during COVID and my truck sat behind the Ford dealership for almost 6 months waiting for parts which they said were not available. All that time, Ford was producing around 12,000 SuperDuty trucks a month at the Tennessee plant. All of those diesel trucks had the same part number "torpedo" under them....

So, a "registered mail, return receipt requested" letter to the Ford CEO (Jim Farley) asking him to produce one less new Ford and ship that damned torpedo to the Gaylord Ford dealer for my truck, got the parts order upgraded to "parts delivery within 72 hours.

Since that repair, my truck has run properly with no issues.... But, NOPE... I'm not about to let them "reflash the computer, it's not a big thing" ever again !!!!!

It sure sounds like Ford is not fixing the C4 pump issue, they're changing the "CEL parameters" so the check engine light stays off until the pump self destructs and it's not covered by the software upgrade....

I think you hit the nail on the head….Ford can get their hands on the trucks and document that there are no issues at x number of miles…possibly flush out the fuel pump and change the fuel filter and document it as working perfectly…reflash the parameters and get you out of warranty….I went thru a cp4 recall with my current Ram truck and i was surprised they stepped up and replaced it with a cp3 with all the related components at no charge although that and the diesel emissions fine could have put the division out of buisness…still don’t see any 2025 Ram heavy duty trucks out and they had a big shakeup in leadership.

The current ram emissions recall extends the emissions warranty to 10 years from in service date and 120000 miles or 4 years 48000 miles from recall date

 

[Stircrazy]

Euro-diesel is higher quality (cleaner) than our diesel so while the CP4 is okay for them, it wreaks havoc for us here in North America.

thats actualy a wives tail. they actualy have dirty diesel compared to us as they allow up to 350ppm of sulfer for euro 3, then 50ppm of sulpher for euro 4 diesel and and 10ppm for euro 5, but what they do have is requirements for added lubrication and a cetain rating of 51+ and premium diesel can be as high as 60, in the us cetain ratings are typicly between 42-45.

in europ it is devided into zones, so depending what zone your in , is what standard of diesel you can buy.

in canada we have the cleanest diesel, the sulpher is 15ppm and has been since 2006, I believe that is what is for US diesel also. euro 5 just surpassed that by 5ppm, but we have the minimum requirment of cetain, like the US, of 40 and most of our normal diesel is at that 40. premium diesels will be 45. this is why we don't get the milage they get in europ and this is what our goverments should start to mandate, higher cetain raitings in diesel.

another thing to note is that cp4 failurs are less than 1% in europ and 7% in North America. I think the main cause of this is that they didn't remove the lubricity.

North American diesel: Has a base Wear Scar Diameter (WSD) of 520 microns in ASTM US D-975, and lacks lubricity.
where European diesel: Has a WSD of 460 microns in EN-590 Diesel, and retains lubricity.

Personaly I run a Lubracation additive in my truck and I am thinking of adding cetain and seeing how that affects some things also.

 

[JRTJH]

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Personaly I run a Lubracation additive in my truck and I am thinking of adding cetain and seeing how that affects some things also.

I run a fuel additive also. For me, since the truck was new, I've put two ounces of Diesel Kleene per refill. Usually, I refill when the tank is half empty, so that's 2 oz/15 gallons. Just under the recommended 2.5oz/10 gallons. It's a cetane booster, injector cleaner and has "SlickDiesel" lubrication additive in it. https://www.walmart.com/ip/Power-Se...Case/347223980?classType=REGULAR&from=/search

The way I understand diesel (very simplistic) is that sulfur acts as a lubricant for the high pressure pump. The C4 pump was designed to function with high sulfur diesel. It's a European pump and the EU "changed the standards for low sulfur lubricity" and added that to prevent C4 pump failures. Our "North American bureaucrats" with limited to NO knowledge of diesel fuels, failed to "notice this change requirement in Europe" and skipped over it. So, through the years, all the finger pointing toward diesel manufacturers in North America for C4 failures can, IMO, pretty much be traced back to Washington and the "stupid emissions managers" who mandated low sulfur diesel without knowing what the hell they actually specified for the fuel being pumped at every diesel station.

 

[Raptor Dave]

Been running hotshot products in the truck since I acquired it.
Everyday Diesel Treatment...EDT
Diesel Extreme...

The EDT when I fill the 48 gal tank.
A bottle of the Extreme usually every other month.....or so. Both stuff are expensive but have read hours of crap and reviews on them.
I don't have comparison on running with or/and without because I started it immediately after the purchase.
I gotta believe it's good for the gander!
:whistling:

 

[JRTJH]

Been running hotshot products in the truck since I acquired it.
Everyday Diesel Treatment...EDT
Diesel Extreme...

The EDT when I fill the 48 gal tank.
A bottle of the Extreme usually every other month.....or so. Both stuff are expensive but have read hours of crap and reviews on them.
I have comparison on running with or/and without because I started it immediately after the purchase.
I gotta believe it's good for the gander!
:whistling:

I've got to agree, something/anything that helps protect the C4 HP pump is better than what Washington's "regulators and specifiers" required when they wrote the rules for low sulfur diesel. To me, it's sort of like saying "pink sea salt is better/worse than regular sea salt" when comparing lubricity additives.

It goes back to the fact that we're using a pump "outside it's engineered design" when using LS diesel in the US/Canada as compared to the same LS diesel formulation in Europe (where they have far fewer C4 reliability issues)..

Could it be the missing ingredient, lubricity enhancement ??? Maybe, maybe not, but for me, it's a "feel good 2 ounces every refueling".... Hopefully it'll stave off the inevitable C4 pump failure and entire fuel system replacement expense....

 

[Peto]

7% failure rate sounds like a good gamble to me.