2025 Cougar Changes Significantly Reduce Value?

Looks like the 2025 Raptor is still going to have the in command system.
Probably just dumping it on the less expensive trailers to help boost the bottom line.
They've totally revamped the new 352. The new humongous pass thru is a blessing and they finally figured out that putting 8K axles on a two axle toy hauler is probably a good thing. :cool:
Larger frame...larger fresh, grey, black tanks...dumped the Onan gen for a propane dual gas gen.
Somethings I didn't like......moved the loft in to the garage. Totally redesigned the living area. Some good...some not so good.
But it looks like the in-command is here to stay.
:popcorn:
 
I have never had any problems with the In Command in my 2021 trailer. Can't say that I have to have it, but it wouldn't be a deal breaker if I decide to upgrade to a new unit in the future. I do like being able to monitor and control things from my phone.
 
Kaylodad said:
Just watched a 2024-2025 MLS comparison from A Tale of Three Cabins.

Seems like Keystone is significantly reducing features (to save money?) without a compensating reduction in price. We really like our 22 25RDS but the changes have created second thoughts about an upgrade in 2025/6.

Propane tanks reduced to 2x20Gal
InCommand taken out and replaced with analog panel = not being able to put slides/awning/stabilizer out, manage temp or lights with phone.
Radio removed so no over the air news/sports/music

I'm curious if the community sees these changes as anything more than a cost cutting value reduction.
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It’s kind of a mixed bag for how I’ve been thinking about that.

We’ve been investigating one of their new floor plans, the 29RLPWE. We currently have a 2020 24SABWE. From my actual walkthrough and the posted specs and virtual walkthrough, it has two 30 lbs. tanks and instead of the overhead speakers, it has a soundbar beneath the TV with a radio built in. It also has a tankless water heater, which I’m thinking I’d like to try. And the universal docking station for hookups seems appealing.

The couple of things that give me pause are:

The DC refrigerator. We use our current fridge on propane fairly regularly. I have no experience with how much drain a fridge puts on the batteries. It would be infinitely safer, though, to travel on a 95 degree day with that fridge turned on rather than the propane one.

No In-Command. I use it a lot for remotely managing the trailer and I love it.

Cable actuated slides. They just don’t feel as substantial, but because of that, on the plus side, they are lighter. And they may be the best option for opposing slides.

Other than that, the appliances, trim, and bedroom layout all look very familiar, as do the four season features.
 
Guess I’m in the minority. I like my
iN Command and my tankless water heater.
I have a 2024 Cougar 320RDS, Midnight Edition.
My previous rv, 2016 Montana 3791RD, was basically “analog” compared to my current rv.
I love all the upgrades that took place in the last 8 years. 440w Solar, lithium,
iN Command, tankless water heater, 12v fridge, anti-lock brakes, etc. And, it cost less than my Montana which had none of these things.
Yes, there was a learning curve with the new tech but nothing impossible. The
iN Command did test me a bit. Had to disconnect all power, shore and dc, to do a hard reboot once. Also found out the operating system needed updated. Tech support was helpful and stayed on the phone with me through the whole process and emailed me instructions for everything we did just as a back up. All has been good since.
Everything else works as advertised.
 
JABURKHOLDER said:
Guess I’m in the minority. I like my
iN Command and my tankless water heater.
I have a 2024 Cougar 320RDS, Midnight Edition.
My previous rv, 2016 Montana 3791RD, was basically “analog” compared to my current rv.
I love all the upgrades that took place in the last 8 years. 440w Solar, lithium,
iN Command, tankless water heater, 12v fridge, anti-lock brakes, etc. And, it cost less than my Montana which had none of these things.
Yes, there was a learning curve with the new tech but nothing impossible. The
iN Command did test me a bit. Had to disconnect all power, shore and dc, to do a hard reboot once. Also found out the operating system needed updated. Tech support was helpful and stayed on the phone with me through the whole process and emailed me instructions for everything we did just as a back up. All has been good since.
Everything else works as advertised.
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I too like In Command, the tankless water heater and the best upgrade that I like is the residential fridge. I love that Samsung fridge. You will have In Command glitches from time to time but usually rebooting takes care of them.
 
How about Keystone providing a sliding bathroom door that actually stays in place when your are towing the trailer? Instead of the cheap bracket attached to wall (with no stud) near floor that never holds the door slab in place even with the snap plastic strap locked in place?

I jerry-rigged better wall brackets (2) supported by wood blocking and I had to epoxy (JB WELD) the top hanger bolt to the door bracket and that will never come apart again... I hope. I agree that the In-command is nice when it works.

Love the In-Command message: "Electrical Short Detected" but doesn't tell you where or what that short is on the trailer. Sometimes you have a breaker pop but other times the breakers are good/fuses are good and the message still appears at random.
 
We have a sliding door in the bathroom and also the rear bedroom and the floor level guide is firmly mounted and keeps the bottom of the door in place regardless of it being open or closed. The elastic strap and hook at the top that holds them open is also firmly mounted and we have never had either door open or flop around while in transit. Maybe it's the luck of the draw or the day it was built, or whether it was built during the Covid Era? (Mine was built on a Wednesday last year)
:amen:
 
My sliding doors have the U shaped hook about half way that locks it in place. On the bathroom and closet doors. When we got home from the last trip the panels on the bathroom sliding door had come apart. I removed it and got some 8" screws that I could screw all the panels back together with. It's better now than before.
 
Well our bathroom sliding door came down from the hanger slide and the bottom guide, both ways on the Alaska-Canada Highway where there was gravel stretches and bumpy rides.

Also, the lazy boy style "theater" heated/massage recliners dance around on the slider platform and threaten to come off the platform. The recliners require periodic push back in their rightful spots. Factory used 4 screws barely in the platform to keep them "secure".

Can't drill too deep with screws to secure them with L brackets since there be wiring below and you don't want to drag screws with the slide-out moving in and out. Just live with it until we get tired of it and get a different travel trailer.
 
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