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Old 08-21-2021, 04:27 AM   #21
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There is a BIG difference between PULL and CARRY! If you look a little deeper you will find the GVWR and likely MAXIMUM payload of that SRW, and it likely won't be near the 3,740# at 22% pin weight a 17,000# 5er will place on the hitch of the TV.. If you look at Short Bed trucks with a 11,500# GVWR the total payload might be about 3,500#, BUT that isn't all for pin. It also includes the weight of Driver over 150#. You also have to subtract from it the weight of anything you carry in the truck, tools, extra fuel tank, hitch, etc. The Long Bed might have a GVWR of 12,400# and payload of 4,200#, you might find some similarity equipped trucks on a dealers lot and look at the payload sticker on the door pillar.
You can lead em to water but you can't make drink. I had to learn on my own. Didn't want to spend the money on a Dually in the beginning, had the this is as big as we will ever get there are only two of us mantra. Fast forward a year and a new 5er needed Dually, bought used Dually fast forward 6 years get new 5er old Dually not legal pulling buy New Dually. Bottom line you can never have to0 much tow vehicle buy more than you need because down the road you will need it.
I just remembered some friends who ordered a new 5er a few years back, they had a F250 that was fine pulling their current 5er but knew they needed a F350 so while waiting on the new rig they bought a new F350 SRW PS LB. When they got the new 5er after loading everything they were just over the GVWR and the truck sagged they ended up putting air bags to compensate and while it cured the sag it made their GVWR more overweight. Funny thing was the guy calibrated scales at State of Fl weigh stations.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:07 AM   #22
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Def check payload before you buy! Most (all?) are surprised when they realize their new $75-$100 k truck wont haul the fifth wheel they need to tow.
As for the rapid heat… if you live up there, I would 100% get it. Remember, diesels don’t warm up like regular engines. At 30 degrees, it may take 30 mins or more to heat the cabin to 60. I would research a bit more on how these operate, and decided then. Btw, I have used mine in Orlando a few times.
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Old 08-21-2021, 07:53 AM   #23
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Thanks for your thoughts Getn! OK, the Ultimate Trailer tow package is definitely on the list. And as much as I would love the Platinum, I think the Lariat with it's associated Ultimate package is more than enough. And although we are close to the Canadian border, we are not that far north. So don't see much need for the rapid heater. I'll just use the remote start and let it warm up for 5 minutes or so

I do agree on the LED lights, not so much on the brightness, but more on the durability and reliability. If anyone has changed a headlight on a Duramax, they know what I'm talking about. They are a royal pain in the *** to change out. But the increased brightness will be a bonus.

I looked up the 2022 F350 towing guide for the SRW and it says the maximum loaded trailer weight the 6.7L diesel can pull is 19,000 pounds for a 5th wheel. So I went through and picked out 5 different RV's that if we were buying a new RV today, the most likely ones we would pick. None of them exceeded a GVWR of 17,000 pounds. So if I understand correctly, that gives me about a 2000 or more pound margin. Certainly if I was buying a Mobile Suites, then I would have to get the dually, and perhaps upgrade to a F450 or 550 as well As much as I would like the dually, they also have their drawbacks. More tires, changing out the tires, more expense, longer bed making parking harder at RV sites & anywhere you go, etc.

Anyway, thanks for everyone's input so far. If you have more ideas, love to hear them BTW, I'll be ordering this truck from the dealer. I looked up the lead time for orders now and estimated delivery is 30-32 weeks. Can you believe that, 8 freaking months? So if I order now, I might be lucky to get it by next spring.
Do not fall into that trap that the truck manufacturers keep pushing concerning the max tow weight of ANY truck!!
Yes that truck WILL "pull" that much on a low profile utility type trailer, the method the manufacturer uses to arrive at these max tow weights, where they load ALL the weight directly over the axles considerably reducing the tongue/pin weights, unfortunately it doesn't work like that in the rv world to "carry" that much weight built like a giant sail & the load non moveable.
You need to look at the tags on the inside the drivers door jamb of the truck you're interested in checking the yellow/white tag that states "occupants & cargo must not exceed XXXX lbs", this is the payload for THAT truck, don't use published manufacturer weights, each truck has its own specific numbers. From that payload number subtract 23% for a 5th wheel (13% for a TT) of the GVWR as pin weight of YOUR specific rv from the manufacturers tag on the driverside front corner + the weight of the hitch usually 100-200lbs + the total weight of everyone/everything in/on that truck that didn't come from the factory.
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Old 08-21-2021, 10:17 AM   #24
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" I don't think I'm ever going pull anything that will require a dually" Famous last words. Been there done that.

My parking slip on my property will only accommodate a camper under just over 30' long so I am sure I will never need a dually. If that changes, I will just add some airbags!
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I went through the growing pains of F-350 v 19000lb fifth wheel. Hitch weight (not "dry" hitch weight) is the key player here. You get into a 17k trailer, you're looking at over 3k in hitch weight alone.

I originally had the F-350 King Ranch 6.7, short bed, SRW. That's the top stickers. Had to trade it for the identical truck, but long bed and DRW. That's the bottom sticker (sorry about the angles and focus on those).

Also, if you're considering the Ford backup camera, there's two "fitment" considerations. One- it connects via a long physical cable, which will run along the top of your rig (or wherever you can more creatively run it) from the camera to the wiring harness in the bed of the truck. Check the cable length to make sure it's long enough for your trailer. Also, if considering the one with integrated TPMS, it only supports 4 trailer tires. If you're getting a bigger 5er, you may have 3 axles, which that system will not support.
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Old 08-22-2021, 05:24 AM   #26
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There is a BIG difference between PULL and CARRY! If you look a little deeper you will find the GVWR and likely MAXIMUM payload of that SRW, and it likely won't be near the 3,740# at 22% pin weight a 17,000# 5er will place on the hitch of the TV.. If you look at Short Bed trucks with a 11,500# GVWR the total payload might be about 3,500#, BUT that isn't all for pin. It also includes the weight of Driver over 150#. You also have to subtract from it the weight of anything you carry in the truck, tools, extra fuel tank, hitch, etc. The Long Bed might have a GVWR of 12,400# and payload of 4,200#, you might find some similarity equipped trucks on a dealers lot and look at the payload sticker on the door pillar.
I went on the Ram builder website and 3500 trucks give you the 10700 gvwr or the 11500 option on the same truckÖ.it only allows you to choose the 11500 if you select one of the two diesel options. Standard or high output.. I guess they either are allowing for the extra weight of the Diesel engine to give you the same relative payload as the gas engine? Maybe the springs are heavier duty?
Or are they factoring in the diesel exhaust brake to allow larger payloads?

Just found it interesting and perplexing at the same time
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Old 08-26-2021, 12:15 PM   #27
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My bladder usually gives out long before my tank! But I still have to plan way ahead for fuel stops if Iím shopping Diesel prices.
These days diesel price at once place vs 50 miles away might mean PBJ instead of meat for dinner!
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Old 08-26-2021, 12:25 PM   #28
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My bladder usually gives out long before my tank!
I am disappointed with my 24 gal tank but my wife considers it a feature.
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Old 08-26-2021, 02:25 PM   #29
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If you use 23% of the GVW, your pin will be closer to 3200 LBS. Go to the scale so you know exactly. Using that as an estimate, you will have 1000 LBS for passengers, hitch and any other gear or additions added after the factory. It will be really close, but again you will need to load your TV and camper as if you were going out camping and hit a scale. Weigh your truck without the trailer and then with you trailer connected. With those 2 scale tickets, you will know exactly how you are sitting.
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Montana high country 331 RL, 13 960 GVW , 2265 hitch weight
Sorry, but these are not CAT scale figures. These are dreamed up in Indiana. Pull over the CAT and get back with us.
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Check it out yourself, but I do not believe the backup assist works with a FW, only TT.
Youíre correct.
My 2019 F-350 Diesel SRW backup assist doesnít work with fifth wheel only travel trailers. It will tell you on the screen that it isnít operational with FW.
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Old 08-26-2021, 10:01 PM   #33
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Youíre correct.
My 2019 F-350 Diesel SRW backup assist doesnít work with fifth wheel only travel trailers. It will tell you on the screen that it isnít operational with FW.
Possibly correct for a 2019 F350, but are you sure thatís correct with a 2021 or above F350? They did change the method of sensing in the newer units so I believe they do work with 5th wheels.
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Old 08-27-2021, 01:11 AM   #34
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Possibly correct for a 2019 F350, but are you sure thatís correct with a 2021 or above F350? They did change the method of sensing in the newer units so I believe they do work with 5th wheels.
It Does on mine, not sure if it is because I have the 5th wheel prep.
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I only know about my 2019 F350 SRW Diesel Lariat

Other years or newer years I donít know.
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Old 08-27-2021, 07:25 AM   #36
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My 2020 F350

I have a 2020 F350 SRW King Ranch 4X4 with all the upgrades youíve described. It rides better than the previous 2015 3/4T and 2017 3/4T. Love the included retractable running boards. If you live in a cold climate, consider the rapid cabin heat that brings the interior temp up sooner than the engine heat can. The 2022 youíll be ordering will have the available Sync 4 with the new 12Ē screen. All the options that can be possibly ordered, can raise the price 1/3 or more, but in the end youíll love it. The loaded truck you are considering will also have the keyless ignition. As with all my previously owned trucks the past 25 years, Iíve installed air bags to level the truck when towing.
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My parking slip on my property will only accommodate a camper under just over 30' long so I am sure I will never need a dually. If that changes, I will just add some airbags!
Once you run with a DRW you'll shun SRW for trailer pulling. Of any size. Just a 24' regular height cargo trailer with a race car - night/day difference between SRW and DRW. Pulling the 25' 220RD (8 x 10.5' frontage, 5600ish lbs) - big difference between the F-150 and the F-350 DRW. F-150 does good, uses a WDH. The F-350 can pull same with just a hitch ball in the receiver.
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Once you run with a DRW you'll shun SRW for trailer pulling. Of any size. Just a 24' regular height cargo trailer with a race car - night/day difference between SRW and DRW. Pulling the 25' 220RD (8 x 10.5' frontage, 5600ish lbs) - big difference between the F-150 and the F-350 DRW. F-150 does good, uses a WDH. The F-350 can pull same with just a hitch ball in the receiver.
To be fair, my SRW F350 could pull that rig with a hitch ball in the receiver no problem. Like you, I like ďmore betterĒ but any heavy duty SRW truck will pull that 2200RD like nothing.
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Once you run with a DRW you'll shun SRW for trailer pulling. Of any size. Just a 24' regular height cargo trailer with a race car - night/day difference between SRW and DRW. Pulling the 25' 220RD (8 x 10.5' frontage, 5600ish lbs) - big difference between the F-150 and the F-350 DRW. F-150 does good, uses a WDH. The F-350 can pull same with just a hitch ball in the receiver.
I have to kindly disagree. I have owned/ driven many trucks, but for this purpose: 2009 and 2016 F-350 SRW trucks, and our 2019 F-350 DRW. All have towed our fifth wheel campers and our horse trailers, snowmobile trailers, and flat bed trailers. All three trucks were outfitted the same, the only difference is the dually has 6 wheels. And the newer ones have more power of course. The only time I really noticed a huge difference between SRW and DRW (and was totally thankful for the DRW) was coming home from WY last fall after dropping our daughter off at college. High wind alerts/ roads closed nearby due to wind the whole way to SD. We were driving in 60+ mph crosswinds and the camper and truck were steady. That would have been a white knuckle drive in the SRW, if not me parking for a while. Otherwise, meh. I like having enough payload to cover our bases with our new camper legally, but, to me anyways other than that, our SRW was just as good. Plus, I could take it through a car wash.
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True, depends on what you pull. The bumper pull race trailer is 13,900 loaded with 2200-2400 tongue weight, so I really like the 6 wheels. The only thing about the 220RD is that it's like dragging two vertical 10' tall sheets of plywood down the road.

The deal between the 250 and 350 seems that the axles -more or less- are similar, so might as well get the 350 with a bit more capacity.

Yes, a 22' DRW is a work out to hand wash lol!
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