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Old 08-09-2020, 10:40 AM   #41
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Well, you asked for opinions and they are all over the place, as to be expected. I price a NEW F350 (bright red) dually single cab XL trim with 7.3 gas engine and 4.30 rear 2wd and it came in at under $43K. You can't find that truck on any lot anywhere so would have to order it but a 7.3 looks to be a decent alternative to the 6.7 diesel which runs about $8K more. I priced the truck with two batteries and heavy duty alternator and the goose neck package. I avoided the back up assist and such because they can only be bundled with a bunch of other gee-gaws; same with power towing mirrors. The truck does have the standard seats and vinyl floors.
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:09 AM   #42
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For reliability you might consider a GM product... Duramax diesel with Allison tranny. Resale is excellent.
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Old 08-09-2020, 12:13 PM   #43
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Itís easier to get to a diesel fuel pump with a TT than try to snake through the gas lanes at most gas/fuel stations
Iíve done both and Iím sticking with the F450 diesel TV
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Old 08-09-2020, 12:18 PM   #44
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for $40K you can get a nice 2015-16 F350.
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Old 08-09-2020, 12:53 PM   #45
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Rotten apples vs ripe apples

First 5er in my life. 2017 Sprinter 33í, 8600# empty, 1600# load. Bought a 2005 6L gasser 2500. Great shape, but with almost 200K miles. First trip from Colorado Springs to Dolores CO, over Monarch Pass, 11,312 feet. Didnít get there. Blew a press fitting out of side of block. Was able to get put back in, refilled radiator. Screaming 5500 rpm over Monument, Many brake events on way down in spite of gearing down, tow mode, etc. Scared all the way home that something would break. 8.4 mpg.
Went and got a 2017 2500 Silverado, 6.7 diesel, 373 rear new, $55K. Took the same trip. (Same dog agility trial). Flew over Monument like it wasnít there. Two brake applications on way down, 50 mph easy. 12.4 mpg.
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Old 08-09-2020, 01:56 PM   #46
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If you are "in" to RVing, you will upgrade trailer before the next truck after this. I would take the 40K and look for a 3500 diesel. It will ride the same and hold the resale better. It will save you a truck upgrade again in a couple years. Ask me how I know. LOL
What he said......I love my new Ram 3500 dually diesel. Bought it for 44k + tax and registration.
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Old 08-09-2020, 01:57 PM   #47
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Recommend diesel for sure.
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Old 08-09-2020, 02:37 PM   #48
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You can get an awfully nice used F-250 for $40k.....

To me going Diesel is a no Brainer. Go test drive one and you'll never look back.
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Old 08-09-2020, 04:48 PM   #49
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For my 2 cents.. I have a 34 ft 5th wheel keystone hideout. Its roughly #12000 loaded. I use to pull it with an 06 power wagon 5.7 hemi it was tough on that motor and 4 speed tranny. 2 years ago I upgraded to ram 2500 HD 6.4 L 6 speed auto. Pulls like a dream for me. I live in colorado so Eisenhower pass is 6% grade and I top the hill at 55 headed west. Mine is not a daily driver and I hear diesels like to work so a gas motor was much cheaper to maintain. Oil changes etc in my opinion I didnt want a diesel setting in my driveway 6 days a week. Steep hills better mileage with diesel.
But a gasser sitting in your driveway six days a week is ok? My 2011 6.7 F350 dually sits for 6-8 weeks at a time. So did my 97 7.3 F350 dually. Doesn't hurt em a bit. And the 6.7 has 190K miles on it.
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Old 08-09-2020, 05:32 PM   #50
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I would look for a Bighorn Crew Cab 3500 with the Hemi. Gorgeous Truck payload will be over 4000 lbs and it has more than plenty of power. Get the 3.73 rear end of new with the 8 speed or if you find one used get the 4.11’s. My brother and I have the same exact truck except I have the Cummins and he has the Hemi. The Hemi is smooth and powerful and a whole lot less $$ to operate than my CTD.

Don’t get me wrong, I love my truck and I’m at a different point in life where a diesel makes sense.

But his truck is incredible and the 3500 will insulate you for years on towing capability.
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Old 08-09-2020, 05:44 PM   #51
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I would look for a Bighorn Crew Cab 3500 with the Hemi. Gorgeous Truck payload will be over 4000 lbs and it has more than plenty of power. Get the 3.73 rear end of new with the 8 speed or if you find one used get the 4.11ís. My brother and I have the same exact truck except I have the Cummins and he has the Hemi. The Hemi is smooth and powerful and a whole lot less $$ to operate than my CTD.

Donít get me wrong, I love my truck and Iím at a different point in life where a diesel makes sense.

But his truck is incredible and the 3500 will insulate you for years on towing capability.

The 4.10 vs 3.73 with the 6.4 makes a huge difference with the 8 speed. Don't know what all they changed but my '14 with 6.4, 3.73 and 6 speed was nothing like this new one....and the engine sounds completely different. No need for a diesel at my level that I've found.
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:35 PM   #52
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The 4.10 vs 3.73 with the 6.4 makes a huge difference with the 8 speed. Don't know what all they changed but my '14 with 6.4, 3.73 and 6 speed was nothing like this new one....and the engine sounds completely different. No need for a diesel at my level that I've found.
Sourdough, how much weight are you pulling with your gas pickup?
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Old 08-09-2020, 06:41 PM   #53
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The 4.10 vs 3.73 with the 6.4 makes a huge difference with the 8 speed. Don't know what all they changed but my '14 with 6.4, 3.73 and 6 speed was nothing like this new one....and the engine sounds completely different. No need for a diesel at my level that I've found.
Could be the new transmission as well. Hard to isolate which one it is for you since you changed gear ratios and transmissions in your move from the '14.
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Old 08-09-2020, 07:01 PM   #54
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Sourdough, how much weight are you pulling with your gas pickup?
I have not scaled it. Bought it, DD in FL got sick as we were closing the deal, had to leave and got back 4 days ago to ruined fridge, no fridge availability, find one and arrange install plus all my communications at the house had been disconnected and I've worked every day on that trying to get it "back". All that said;

Dry weight on this unit, if real, is 11, 4xx. We carried 12-1300 lbs. of stuff in our other trailer scaled. We removed some things in the changeover but added some things so should be very close to same weights. Hitch went from approx. 125lbs. to approx. 40lbs. Load in truck dropped because we stopped carrying some other items including a 50lb. enclosure. Figure we are at 13k or a little less.


The 8 speed was a game changer. The 6 speed had so many "holes" in the ratios that you were always falling into one and trying to get out. The 8 speed eliminated that. The 4.10 keeps it spinning so the drops are really negligible with tow/haul engaged. I really couldn't believe the difference. Specs don't indicate it but they did something to the engine; timing, cam, exhaust....it sounds nothing like the previous one I had...stronger.
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Old 08-09-2020, 11:43 PM   #55
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Great truck decision.

WE own a 2007 Dodge 2500 Ram 6.7 Cummins with Air Lift system, totally deleted, tuner, air induction mods. This truck is 2x2 with the six speed auto transmission. We tow a 13k toy hauler Raptor that is normally overloaded. It gets over 30 mpg empty and 14.7 mpg towing at 55 or so. Going fast as in 70 to 80 mph we get around ten mpg to 12 mpg depending on wind and elevation changes.

This model truck came before the urea by one year. We have well over 100k miles and we take very good care of it. Pulls like a monster and rides like a limo. Tried one tom rigs and found they ride like crap all the time.
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Old 08-10-2020, 11:30 AM   #56
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So we went out and looked at some TTs to see what we would like to get in the future and it looks like we don't see ourselves pulling more than 30' at 9,000lbs dry. Leaving one of the RV lots we ran into a guy with a 2015 Ram Diesel Big Horn 4x4 which had a For Sale sign. Truck was immaculate, and 10k service intervals from Ram dealers. Punching in the VIN on the Ram site states it can max pull 17,780lbs.

Long story short, I ended up picking up his truck, with 52k miles for 32.5k, 1.5k over what the dealer was going to give him for trade. I believe it was a win/win for both of us.
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Old 08-10-2020, 02:54 PM   #57
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So we went out and looked at some TTs to see what we would like to get in the future and it looks like we don't see ourselves pulling more than 30' at 9,000lbs dry. Leaving one of the RV lots we ran into a guy with a 2015 Ram Diesel Big Horn 4x4 which had a For Sale sign. Truck was immaculate, and 10k service intervals from Ram dealers. Punching in the VIN on the Ram site states it can max pull 17,780lbs.

Long story short, I ended up picking up his truck, with 52k miles for 32.5k, 1.5k over what the dealer was going to give him for trade. I believe it was a win/win for both of us.
Sounds like a good deal just turned in our 2016 Ram 3500, pulling at about 1/2 rated towing rating is sweet! Some day out west someone will ask you how did it pull in the hills, and your response will be "What Hills?"
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Old 08-10-2020, 03:24 PM   #58
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WE own a 2007 Dodge 2500 Ram 6.7 Cummins with Air Lift system, totally deleted, tuner, air induction mods. This truck is 2x2 with the six speed auto transmission. We tow a 13k toy hauler Raptor that is normally overloaded. It gets over 30 mpg empty and 14.7 mpg towing at 55 or so. Going fast as in 70 to 80 mph we get around ten mpg to 12 mpg depending on wind and elevation changes.

This model truck came before the urea by one year. We have well over 100k miles and we take very good care of it. Pulls like a monster and rides like a limo. Tried one tom rigs and found they ride like crap all the time.
I'm going to borrow a quote from another forum here by saying "my BS meter is twitching a bit" by your fuel mileage numbers.
Also I've had 2 -1 ton duallies that I'd match rides with your 3/4, neither road like crap loaded or empty.
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Old 08-10-2020, 05:13 PM   #59
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gas motors are much more acceptable in the north, because the Rot Box body will rust away before the diesel pays for itself.

we bought a Hemi 6.4 liter gasser, 2018 Ram 2500 4x4 MegaCab with the 4.10 gears (4.11?)

it REALLY did somethings GREAT.

it got 12~16 MPG off the lot though, around 10 with a 24 foot enclosed trailer behind it.

I put a HARD tonneau cover on it, and MPG went to 14~18 empty
if I could find a SUV to draft pretty close, it could rip off 20MPG but drafting that close was annoying, esp at night, the headlights bothered big trucks.

I "think" sticker was $52, we paid high 40's OTD, and it was worth $34k on trade within a few months.

so, i would investigate trade prices on a NEW truck, to be sure if you get it, and you can't live with it....you won't take a $15k bath.
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Old 08-11-2020, 06:06 AM   #60
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I would stick with diesel. I just replaced my 2019 F350 king ranch dually after it was totaled in a bad accident with a 2016 F350 King Ranch dually with 3.73 gears and 53k miles on it for $48k. I had to travel about 500 hundred miles to pick it up . It tows my Alpine at 15k just fine. I miss the bells n whistles of my 19 but for almost half the price I'm ok with my 16. Go online and do a search. Don't be afraid to travel to pick it up.
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