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Old 07-12-2020, 02:12 PM   #21
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Thanks sourdough. Iím pretty much set on the 1 ton now even though I really have no idea what camper I will get but it gives me more options. Any idea about the claims of short commutes with diesel? Like i said most of the time Iíll just be going back and forth to work. Maybe one trip a year to Colorado. Iím leaning towards gas just to avoid any emission stuff but right now Iíve not purchased anything so Iím open to a lot of options.

I have no clue if Forest River campers are even any good but guess thatís a completely different discussion.

By the way the rear end in the new Chevy gassers are 3.73.

With where you're at in the process I would definitely be looking at the 1 tons. If Chevy only offers a 3.73 I would also be worrying about that with a 5th wheel. My last truck had the same engine as this one with a 3.73 (plus a 6 speed vs the new 8 speed) and the 4.10 makes a ton of difference in towing performance. I would not have put that 3.73 on a 5th wheel.

I don't own a diesel by choice, simply because I don't want to pay the 10k up front and don't, well didn't, need the torque, DEF and all the other associated "stuff". So far this truck has handled this trailer fine but I was thoroughly convinced when I left for FL I would be running down a diesel; I was pleasantly surprised.

If you stay in the weight range of the trailer you linked to the Chevy would probably be just fine. Don't know what kind of tranny is in the new HD trucks but I'm sure they have been upgraded from a few years back.

As far as Forest River products....do your research. All RVs have issues and FR has their share. After repeated issues little brother got rid of his. And that brings up another really good point; make a deal with a GOOD dealer, not just somebody that sells RVs. Check them out really well. They can make, or break, your RV experience as happened with my brother.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:16 PM   #22
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Very happy with my 1 ton diesel SRW Chevy. It is also my daily driver. DEF is a PITA butt (LOL) not a killer. I will not go back to gasser again, I like the power and feel.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:20 PM   #23
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You might want to really pick the trailer first.
All of this means nothing if you're not happy with the floor plan and options you want based on the type of camping you want to do.
Do you need 40' of trailer and a 1 ton truck to long haul it once a year? You might find that beast of a set up a pain to weekend camp.
Now, the 3/4 ton and 1 ton have the same drive train so the only difference is the payload. fuel economy should be negligible.

I picked my truck based on the 5th wheel I wanted to tow and the Max GVWR of 10000 lbs. When I found it I bought it.
Yeah Iím really trying to do two things at once and thatís my error. Iíve just started looking at campers more seriously now though. I thought knowing the vehicle capabilities would help me pick the camper. Iím going to be in the truck much more than the camper and that was another reason I was focusing on truck first. I know I wonít get a dully. I just have no desire. I also have no desire for a 40í camper either. Iíd be fine in the low 30ís max length.
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Very happy with my 1 ton diesel SRW Chevy. It is also my daily driver. DEF is a PITA butt (LOL) not a killer. I will not go back to gasser again, I like the power and feel.
Do you know of any issues with short commutes with the diesel? I was told to stay away with the 2-5 miles I only drive everyday. I have nothing against them just don’t want to get myself into trouble for something I didn’t really need to begin with.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:32 PM   #25
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I like gassers pulling big loads, they look so cute in the passenger mirror when I'm passing them going up hills. Sorry Danny, couldn't help myself.
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Old 07-12-2020, 02:33 PM   #26
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Do you know of any issues with short commutes with the diesel? I was told to stay away with the 2-5 miles I only drive everyday. I have nothing against them just donít want to get myself into trouble for something I didnít really need to begin with.
I haven't heard of any and do some short trips to store etc. I usually take the long way home or fiddle a little. To date in 3 years no issues for me. I take it out on the road for 2 to 300 miles a couple of times a month also. My commute is 20 miles so not a concern.
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I like gassers pulling big loads, they look so cute in the passenger mirror when I'm passing them going up hills. Sorry Danny, couldn't help myself.
I'm not worrying about that. Chipped, cold air, cat back w/Thrush mufflers and 7000rpm and I can keep up with you.....
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Thrush mufflers? Really, get with the program Danny itís all about the Flow Masters!! Had them on my Ď86 F250 with that 460 on steroids.
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Thrush mufflers? Really, get with the program Danny itís all about the Flow Masters!! Had them on my Ď86 F250 with that 460 on steroids.
I wasn't going to say anything... I just Danny was having a flashback .
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At least he didnít say ďcherry bombsĒ
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Thrush mufflers? Really, get with the program Danny itís all about the Flow Masters!! Had them on my Ď86 F250 with that 460 on steroids.

Flow Masters? Hey, them's bucks man....
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Would love to see people's faces when those pulled into a campground at bedtime. LOL.
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Would love to see people's faces when those pulled into a campground at bedtime. LOL.
When I had my Ď86 gasser, we yanked the Jayco in sig from Modesto,Ca to Devils Elbow Missouri to see my son.

460 with edelbrock performer intake, comp can, roller rockers, MSD ignition, headman headers with true dual exhaust 2 1/2Ē. We left the campground at about 6:30 and I really tried to idle out. The loudest was Kingman Az KOA, heading East. Had to hammer down going up the grade, it echoed for miles
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Flow Masters? Hey, them's bucks man....
And well worth the money!!
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At least he didnít say ďcherry bombsĒ
You beat me to that Chuck! Honestly, my old 7.3 may have been louder! I got Magnaflows on my Cadillac CTS V and they are much better sounding.
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For 13+ years had 2 different GMC diesels, an '05 no DEF & a '13 with DEF, as daily drivers with 300k+ miles between them, short trips, long trips & approximately 130k miles towing, never had a major issue on either. The '05 had the 5 speed Allison, the '13 had the 6 speed, both had 3.73 rearends, both got 9-13mpg towing 40' 16.5k 5th wheels & 15-17 unloaded.
Towed a tractor/brushog on a gooseneck, weighing less than my 5er, at work for an entire summer with a 1 ton Ford V10 that had decent power, til in the hills, but at the cost of fuel economy, 6-8mpg with a 26 gallon tank, I didn't pass up many gas stations, would never tow anything over about 10k lbs ever again with a gasser.
As mentioned the DEF was a PITA to fill with the port under the hood, but it could go 3-3.5k miles before needing a 2.5 gallon jug so not a big deal. Routine maintenance from my experience was very little more than a gasser as the oil change intervals were 10k miles or once year. Nowadays any maintenance regardless if diesel or gasser is going to be expensive, not much on the newer ones for us shade tree'rs without a diagnostic computer hanging on a limb.
If you plan on traveling in the mountains regularly get the 1 ton diesel Chevy (also a GM guy), drive it like you stole it & go enjoy the experience.
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I haven't heard of any and do some short trips to store etc. I usually take the long way home or fiddle a little. To date in 3 years no issues for me. I take it out on the road for 2 to 300 miles a couple of times a month also. My commute is 20 miles so not a concern.
Just checked on the specs of a 1 ton diesel and lost a hundred pounds on payload. I hate this process. It’s smoke and mirrors. Truck says it can pull an additional 5k lbs over the gasser but in actuality it’s does less than the gasser due to payload.
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Just checked on the specs of a 1 ton diesel and lost a hundred pounds on payload. I hate this process. Itís smoke and mirrors. Truck says it can pull an additional 5k lbs over the gasser but in actuality itís does less than the gasser due to payload.
My guess is the two truck's your comparing have different gear ratios. If a 100 lb payload difference is a deal breaker on a 1 ton truck than maybe you need to think about less trailer.

I don't think most people choose a diesel for payload. There are as many opinions/arguments over gas vs diesel as there is over Coke vs Pepsi. Personally I wouldn't consider a larger trailer with a gas powered tow vehicle if I was towing a lot of miles or in hilly areas. The gas proponents can talk all day about the newer engines tolerating higher rpms all they want but here's the elephant in the room, at what load?

If you want a fair comparison of an engine that's under a constant heavy torque load look at the marine industry. Once you start cranking up over 4k for long periods you will see engine rebuilds increase in frequency. Ask anyone that's run a class A or large class C gasser and not only will they complain about the terrible fuel mileage the transmissions give up first then the engines. Moder gassers have gotten better but still don't compare to a diesel drive train IMHO.

It's not uncommon to see a diesel-powered rig with 200k miles that's still going strong. Haven't seen a gasser do that yet. I've towed with both gas and diesel and to me the diesel is hands down the winner. I don't understand the "expense" argument or the "don't tow that far or that often" argument either. To my thinking, spending $60-$70K or more for a large fiver and "only use it a few weekends a year" is a collaso waste of money but that's just me.

Bottom line it's your money your choice. Doing your homework, weighting all your options is the smart move.
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