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Old 02-26-2020, 12:15 PM   #21
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Fill port must be smaller on the newer trucks. I used the big FAST pumps on our cross country road trip. Only issue I had was fuel spilling onto my running boards when it foamed up. It did pump a lot of fuel in a short time.
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Old 02-26-2020, 12:49 PM   #22
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I use the "big truck nozzle" regularly to fill my 2015 Ford. In my experience, it's not 2", it's about 1.25" in diameter and it fits the fuel spout on my truck without a problem. I will say that I can't "squeeze the handle to full flow without it backing up and spilling out the spout, but on slow speed, it's faster than the RV nozzle on full speed. The "RV size nozzle" is about 5/8". I've never seen a 2" nozzle at a truck stop.
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Old 02-26-2020, 05:17 PM   #23
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I brought a 2012 Silverado 3500 diesel and never had a engine problem, emissions were my problem. I deleted the emissions and no more problems with emissions. I normally got 12 or better pulling my fifth wheel running usually 67mph. I traded the truck for a new 2020 Silverado 3500 SRW diesel. On the 2012 I had 200,000 miles, I like a diesel. Buy what you can afford and want. The Silverado 2020 is huge compared to the 2012.
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Old 02-27-2020, 04:41 AM   #24
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Unless the weather is nasty, seldom use that big fast fill nozzle at my usual station or elsewhere. It will too often back out fuel - but it fits a Ford just fine
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:08 AM   #25
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I have had 3 RAMs and I always use the truck lanes when I am hooked to my 5er. Works fine. Can also get DEF if you need it.
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:19 AM   #26
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I brought a 2012 Silverado 3500 diesel and never had a engine problem, emissions were my problem. I deleted the emissions and no more problems with emissions. I normally got 12 or better pulling my fifth wheel running usually 67mph. I traded the truck for a new 2020 Silverado 3500 SRW diesel. On the 2012 I had 200,000 miles, I like a diesel. Buy what you can afford and want. The Silverado 2020 is huge compared to the 2012.
What irritates me when looking at trucks for sale is when the ad just says "Silverado". Most of the time it seems they don't say if it is a 1/2 tone, 3/4 or 1 ton. And getting rid of emissions is practical for places like where I live where there are no smog tests but folks living in places where there are run into testing issues. It is wise to check this before buying and consider when you sell, this may be an issue for a prospective buyer.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:13 AM   #27
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You will burn the lead out of 3 pencils trying to financially justify a diesel powered tow vehicle for recreational use.
Cute phrase....I may borrow that one!
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:23 AM   #28
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Cute phrase....I may borrow that one!
Yes you may.
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:29 AM   #29
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I just like a diesel truck, I can afford it besides you can’t take anything but memories when you you this earth. Everyone is different
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Old 02-27-2020, 08:49 AM   #30
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The 1st things mentioned usually when talking diesel trucks is maintenance cost & noise.
ALL the big 3 diesels in the last 15+/- years are barely louder than any of the gassers & unless they've been altered make no black smoke.
As for maintenance I've now bad 2 diesels as daily drivers for over 300k miles & an honestly say I didn't notice any more expense with periodic maintenance over any if the gasser's I had previously owned. The gasser's oil changes were between 3-5k miles so approximately 5 changes per year at 25k miles annually. The diesels were between 10-15k miles so once per year. Both need oil, oil filters, air filters which are the same price as any others. The fuel filter on mine were $38 replaced by me about every other year with 35-50k miles. Any other maintenance will be very expensive on either gas or diesel due to all the computer technology in modern vehicles that pretty much puts us shade tree guys out of business.
Plus a $12 - 2.5 gallon jug of DEF every 3500 equates to next nothing per mile.
As to upfront cost, most of that will be recouped at the resale if well cared for, check prices of used gasser's compared to used diesels & in most cases will sell quicker.
Once you've towed with a diesel you'll want to with a gasser again!
My .02 cents on the matter!!!!!
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:26 AM   #31
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Once you've towed with a diesel you'll want to with a gasser again!
My .02 cents on the matter!!!!!


This trumps all other arguments to me. I’ve driven and towed with both. Regardless of the load I was pulling, once used to the torque of a modern turbo diesel, no gas engine compares.
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Old 02-27-2020, 09:56 AM   #32
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Once you've towed with a diesel you'll want to with a gasser again!
My .02 cents on the matter!!!!!
My take on diesels: I bought my first diesel truck in 1993. Towed with diesels from then until we left Louisiana in 2009, and more or less took the increased towing performance for granted. Sold the diesel and when we arrived here, bought a gas truck. Unhappy towing even a small boat. Traded the F150 for a F250 gas truck. Better performance, but still unhappy towing. Bought a F250 diesel (poor payload/EXCELLENT towing) and I'm "a happy camper" again....

I won't go back to a gas truck, BTDT and learned what I prefer in towing performance. YMMV
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Old 02-27-2020, 10:12 AM   #33
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My experience and observations:

Folks that have only towed with a gasser will tell you all the negative aspects of a diesel.

Folks that have towed with a diesel typically won't go back to a gasser.

Folks that have towed with both typically prefer the diesel. I'm in this group.
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:29 PM   #34
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My experience and observations:

Folks that have only towed with a gasser will tell you all the negative aspects of a diesel.

Folks that have towed with a diesel typically won't go back to a gasser.

Folks that have towed with both typically prefer the diesel. I'm in this group.
I agree with this statement also!
Yes filters are costly, but will not break the bank, I change my own and change my own oil.
Many complains about noise, our old 2001 was a bit noise, but the 2016 is very quiet.
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Old 02-27-2020, 12:54 PM   #35
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My story of 2 trucks sold last year. The trucks are/were very much a like except the engines.

My trade in a 2002 f350 lariat 4x4 srw crew cab 186,000 miles. 7.3 powerstoke
Dealer put it on the lot asking 21,775. I paid about 39,000 in 2003 from a dealer.

Friends trade in a 1999 f350 lariat 4x4 srw super cab 130,000 miles V-10
Dealer put 7,995 on the windshield. He only had it 4 years.

Both were what I would say was excellent shape. These where sold to 2 different dealers in the metro area. Your results could be different.
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Old 02-27-2020, 01:37 PM   #36
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Scheduled Maintenance costs, Oil Changes and Fuel Filter Changes
2014 to present Ram CTD
By the book, 15,000 miles or 6 months whichever comes first

Oil Rotella T-6 5w40, 3 gal. ….. $60.00
Oil Filter, Cummins ……………….. $15.00
Fuel Filters, Cummins or Mopar $110.00

Total Parts …...……...………..……… $285.00
Labor, Local Shop ………….……….. $100.00

Total …………………...………...…….. $385.00 every 6 months

Included in the Labor charges is tire rotation, all fluid levels checked and toped off. Front universal joint lubricated. Brake condition and pad life.

It is my choice to use the brand of oil and filters indicated. There are a lot of off brand (Chinese) fuel filters on the market at cheep. Non of which I trust to protect the pump or injectors.

I posted this to give a prospective Diesel buyer my maintenance costs, yours may be differant and I have no knowledge of Ford or GM vehicles.
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I bought maybe 40 used trucks and vans for company use over the 35 years in business . In the industrial paint/blast business one learns quickly that new is not financially viable. We had Chevy, GMC, Ford and Dodge, only the price mattered. In the abuse these vehicles took it was generally the diesels that came through in the end. All our painters would have preferred the diesels if we were towing equipment and out of town. Their actual favorites were trucks that had a working air conditioner/heater. Transmissions probably presented more problems in the end, and all brands the same.
Diesel power is very closely related to four-wheel drive. You won't need it until you need it.
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These aren't exact figures, but somewhat close:

Oil change for my F250 diesel at the dealership $79+tax
Oil changes monitored by the truck computer, usually around 10K miles and/or annually.

Fuel filters (2) come in a kit for $45 and changed at 22.5K. I change mine every other oil change although the truck does monitor the fuel filter as well as the oil filter change interval.

Air filter (2 parts) come as a kit for $30 and changed at 45K miles or when the air restriction gauge indicates the filter is obstructed.

DEF, I think I've used ten or eleven 2.5 gallon containers in the past 55K miles.

So, annual costs:

Oil change 80
Fuel Filter 23
Air filter 8
DEF 14

TOTAL 125/year with about 12K miles annual mileage.

There is an additional coolant surfactant check and all the "regular maintenance" like tire rotations, transmission check, rear end checks, but they are the same on gas powered Ford trucks as on diesels.
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Old 02-27-2020, 06:59 PM   #39
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I have towed with both and would never go back to a gas.
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Old 02-27-2020, 07:05 PM   #40
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I guess I'm the only guy on the block that doesn't love/want a diesel. I've had gas engines all my life of all kinds; pickups, sedans, hot rods, off road etc. I KNOW them. Compared to a diesel they lack nothing except the towing capacity....and that does come at a cost. I know folks think they run a diesel all year long and it costs peanuts; I've been told by friends that own them..."don't", "they're expensive", injector failures, glow plugs ….the list is endless. Change oil at 15k? For me that won't happen. It was difficult to move past 3k but I did when I went to full synthetic and maintained it...at 5k. Recommended mileage is something like 7500 or 10k; I've never looked at that nor complied with it.

As with Ford/GM/Ram discussions, the diesel vs gas thing is a personal preference. What fits for one most assuredly will have many others that tout the benefits of what it is they like. IMO the ONLY benefit a diesel provides in today's environment is torque...that's it....at a 10k + premium AND maintenance costs (per friends that run them in my town) that are significantly higher than a gas engine (including the SM at the dealership).

Now, when you actually need that torque you need to go to the diesel regardless of the cost....and I just may be approaching that threshold, but they each have their place and fit for different things. A diesel, or gas, engine isn't the panacea for everyone for everything. I'll let you know how my situation turns out.
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