2020 Super Duty Door Stickers

[Ken / Claudia]

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

[Tuz5150]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

I think the only people who really know how the new ratings came about are the "committee to beat the competition" composed of marketing and engineering reps at each of the manufacturers. My bet is that they won't be talking.....

All the Detroit Manufacturers, and Toyota adopted the SAE J2807 for uniform payload and towing standards back in 2015 or 16.
It's not determined by the marketing department any longer..........

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by Tuz5150

All the Detroit Manufacturers, and Toyota adopted the SAE J2807 for uniform payload and towing standards back in 2015 or 16.
It's not determined by the marketing department any longer..........

Yes, gone are the days of magic payload and tow rating dust! There is now one set of rating rules.

[Fishsizzle]

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

I think in Fords advertising the the new alum trucks they stated they didn’t weigh less because they took all the weight savings and put them in thicker frame and beefier components

Then have just pulled new payload numbers out of their hats so to speak with the new 10 speed and bigger engine numbers

A 250 short srw was 10k in 2017-2919 now its 10800 on the 2020.

They couldn’t have changed the curb weight 800 lbs with almost everything on the truck weighing the same

[Fishsizzle]

2020 Loaded Lariat 6.7 F350 Short Bed

Payload 3493lbs

[Gegrad]

Originally Posted by Fishsizzle

2020 Loaded Lariat 6.7 F350 Short Bed

Payload 3493lbs

A Lariat ain't a loaded model.... There are 6 trim lines for the SuperDutys and a Lariat is only #3, meaning there are two trims below a Lariat and 3 trims ABOVE the Lariats.

[Fishsizzle]

Originally Posted by Gegrad

A Lariat ain't a loaded model.... There are 6 trim lines for the SuperDutys and a Lariat is only #3, meaning there are two trims below a Lariat and 3 trims ABOVE the Lariats.

It’s loaded for a lariat. Build one on Ford

[Gegrad]

Originally Posted by Fishsizzle

It’s loaded for a lariat. Build one on Ford

I see what you saying.

[ADQ K9]

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

Ken, Mine is very similar to yours I have 11,500 GVW, FX4, Sunroof, and Snow Plow packages. Build sheet says 8333#, with aftermarket bed steps, bed cover, and running boards plus my fat butt brings it to 8640# on the scale. Payload of 3323#

[Ken / Claudia]

Thanks guys, I had a theory that just maybe by going to an aluminum body and maybe more lighter weight other items the trucks would be lighter.
That physical weight difference was allowing more payload. Looks like they are heavier and have still have more payload.

[ADQ K9]

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by ADQ K9

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

It's the same with the Dodge Power Wagon. I believe the 3/4 ton PW has a payload of around 1420 pounds and a GVW of 9470. The Raptor and the Power Wagon are "sprung to bounce over sand hills in the desert" they are not "sprung to carry a heavy load"... The suspension is designed for a specific purpose of high speed travel over extremely harsh and bumpy ground. That "excessive axle travel, long piston shocks and wide tires that don't sink into the sand just don't make for a "high payload capability".

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by ADQ K9

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

The numbers aren't surprising given the intended use of the truck. When you forsake all truck virtues for "fast and light" you can't also be the best thing for "heavy towing". Many don't get that. I've seen a Raptor strapped to a full profile 5th wheel.... It's got the "gittalong" but will always fall short on the "cojones". A "truck" is not always a "truck" and the world has now been inundated with specialized trucks which may or may not fit YOUR intended purpose. The due diligence is up to us.

[Fishsizzle]

Originally Posted by ADQ K9

Was at the dealer today for my 20K service on the Ghostrider and Check engine light More on that in another post. What keeps getting me is the Raptor door sticker.
I didn't take pics but I will tell you my Explorer and the new Ranger have a higher payload than a Raptor at 1080#.

Just bought the wife a new Raptor. Trust me, payload wasn’t even thought about

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Can someone with a truck outfitted like my listed truck give the scale wt. of the newer 350s with aluminum body.
I wonder if the aluminum body and or other parts were lighter than the steel body trucks and that added in it self more payload.

2013
Mine is GVWR 11,500
Payload rated 3178
Scaled at 8200 with me (175 lbs) and fuel 38 gals fuel.

Originally Posted by Ken / Claudia

Thanks guys, I had a theory that just maybe by going to an aluminum body and maybe more lighter weight other items the trucks would be lighter.
That physical weight difference was allowing more payload. Looks like they are heavier and have still have more payload.

This is why we went from our 2001 Ram 2500, to the 2016 Ram 3500 DRW. That 3,178# payload would not cover DW, Me, and the dog and a 2,700# pin on our current 32' 12,500# 5er with a 2,700# pin.

Our payload sticker is 5,411# on a 14,000# GVWR, with us, hitch, fuel and in bed tool box the truck scales 10,000#. so we lost 1,411# before we have hooked up the 5er. This is the part many miss when looking at payload numbers. One can't use the entire payload for pin!

[ADQ K9]

Enter the Tremor package available on the 250 and 350 if you want to haul stuff off road. Only available in a short box. Ford may be aiming at the Power Wagon but may be also Raptor owners that want more.

[Gegrad]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

It's the same with the Dodge Power Wagon. I believe the 3/4 ton PW has a payload of around 1420 pounds and a GVW of 9470. The Raptor and the Power Wagon are "sprung to bounce over sand hills in the desert" they are not "sprung to carry a heavy load"... The suspension is designed for a specific purpose of high speed travel over extremely harsh and bumpy ground. That "excessive axle travel, long piston shocks and wide tires that don't sink into the sand just don't make for a "high payload capability".

At the 2019 auto show last February the 2019 PW (6.4 gasser) I saw at the show had a 1080 lb payload...

[Fishsizzle]

Originally Posted by ADQ K9

Enter the Tremor package available on the 250 and 350 if you want to haul stuff off road. Only available in a short box. Ford may be aiming at the Power Wagon but may be also Raptor owners that want more.

There are “solutions” to help with payload issues with the Raptor to adjust for weight and back to fun. But I won’t talk about them here.

The Tremor is nothing more that a taller front springs to clear the 35” tires. Add some “off-road” shocks (not really), skid plate, Black wheels, fender moldings and a nifty side sticker. Lots of guys (like me) have done these mods to their trucks, Ford is just trying to get a piece of the action.

The Raptor is a BEAST. I love it. It’s also great for long trips. It soaks up the road. It’s pretty smooth. One of those trucks that you have to constantly look at the speedo as you are doing 80 mph easy.

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[Badbart56]

Originally Posted by Fishsizzle

Just bought the wife a new Raptor. Trust me, payload wasn’t even thought about

Don't try this at home kids!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Badbart56

Don't try this at home kids!

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q...tail&FORM=VIRE

A lot of "play" truck with a lot of stupid.....how does that go?.....Hey ya'll, watch this! Dang! Destroyed the truck, insurance doesn't pay and I still owe 6 years for these darn deployed airbags! You can't fix stuff like that.....