New Ram 3500

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Big1

Congrats! Do you have any pics?

Here you go. 1st hook up. Since have lowered ball mount to bring tongue down, and added airbags. My payload from sticker is 4288.

[Snoking]

Originally Posted by rush2112

Here you go. 1st hook up. Since have lowered ball mount to bring tongue down, and added airbags. My payload from sticker is 4288.

Attachment 24690

You needed air bags on a 3500 RAM? Not using equalizer bars? Can not tell from picture.

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Snoking

You needed air bags on a 3500 RAM? Not using equalizer bars? Can not tell from picture.

I do have weight distribution. Added bags for when pulling heavy horse trailer, and our plan is to sell this camper and go 5th wheel in March.

[Snoking]

Originally Posted by rush2112

I do have weight distribution. Added bags for when pulling heavy horse trailer, and our plan is to sell this camper and go 5th wheel in March.

Be sure to pick a 5th wheel with a empty pin weight in the 2400-2500 range or less. If you pick one with a 3K dry pin weight, you will have trouble with your RGAWR. I picked one with 2435 dry pin weight. Chris

[Laredo Tugger]

rush2112,
I have the same model truck 2018 in the Tradesman package and have 3822 lbs. payload on the sticker. Your truck is one year newer, the Laramie and it is 1000 lbs. lighter? ("4822 on the door sticker")

What changed on these trucks in one year to make them 1000 lbs. lighter?

RMc

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger

rush2112,

I have the same model truck 2018 in the Tradesman package and have 3822 lbs. payload on the sticker. Your truck is one year newer, the Laramie and it is 1000 lbs. lighter? ("4822 on the door sticker")



What changed on these trucks in one year to make them 1000 lbs. lighter?



RMc

No. Payload is 4288. I went with 2019 due to increased towing capacity and GCWR.

[Laredo Tugger]

Thanks for the reply.
Still baffled at how they made the same truck (in a Laramie)1000 lbs. lighter. I have the Aisin trans. Maybe that's a difference? Not sure.
The fifth wheel I have in my signature has been perfect for my truck. It is a great couples trailer. Because it is a lighter version, the cargo capacity is lower. I do not pull full time so that is not a problem.
Good luck
RMc

[Snoking]

Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger

rush2112,
I have the same model truck 2018 in the Tradesman package and have 3822 lbs. payload on the sticker. Your truck is one year newer, the Laramie and it is 1000 lbs. lighter? ("4822 on the door sticker")

What changed on these trucks in one year to make them 1000 lbs. lighter?

RMc

RGAWR is still 7K. That is the issue with a 5th wheel, not the payload rating. 99% of pin weight of a 5th wheel goes on the rear axle including the hitch. So one has around 3200-3900 pounds left over from the 7K rear axle for hitch, pin weight and other stuff in truck bed.

Here our the chart number for my 2015 SB 4X4 CC Aisin:
Total 7,775 Front Axle 4,810 Rear Axle 2,965

New 2019 LB 4x4 CC
Total 7877.5 Front Axle 4872.45 Rear Axle 3005.05

Here are my ready to tow weights loaded for full timing for a year and a half.
Total 8900, Front Axle 5140, Rear Axle 3760

(Because mine is a Laramie and has side steps it most likely weighs in at a couple hundred pounds more)

2015 SRW is rated for max of 25150.0 trailer weight. Must be for a 4 wheel cart type trailer or really light pin weight gooseneck trailer.

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Snoking

RGAWR is still 7K. That is the issue with a 5th wheel, not the payload rating. 99% of pin weight of a 5th wheel goes on the rear axle including the hitch. So one has around 3200-3900 pounds left over from the 7K rear axle for hitch, pin weight and other stuff in truck bed.

Here our the chart number for my 2015 SB 4X4 CC Aisin:
Total 7,775 Front Axle 4,810 Rear Axle 2,965

New 2019 LB 4x4 CC
Total 7877.5 Front Axle 4872.45 Rear Axle 3005.05

Here are my ready to tow weights loaded for full timing for a year and a half.
Total 8900, Front Axle 5140, Rear Axle 3760

(Because mine is a Laramie and has side steps it most likely weighs in at a couple hundred pounds more)

2015 SRW is rated for max of 25150.0 trailer weight. Must be for a 4 wheel cart type trailer or really light pin weight gooseneck trailer.

Yeah I understand where you're coming from. We have zero plans of carrying anything in the bed of the truck. I did add a B&w gooseneck hitch which brings the number down a little bit. But I plan on using a goose box instead of a normal fifth wheel hitch. I researched the exact toy hauler that I want and found a build sheet on one close by. The shipped pin weight of that fifth wheel is just under 2700 pounds. I will have two batteries and the LP tanks to add weight to the front pin along with the goose box. We don't carry much in the front bedroom since we're part-time and will be carrying 1000 lb in the rear cargo area with motorcycle, bikes, and kayaks. we tend to travel with very little water since we have full hookups everywhere we stay.

Based on the above this is why I went with a 2019 Ram 8 foot box to give me the capacity I needed for this exact trailer. I have room to spare if needed on all numbers.

[Laredo Tugger]

Snoking,
Thanks for that info.
I was just trying to figure out how the same model (actually a heavier Laramie package) could come off the lot half a ton lighter. I'm missing something here, and off the top it appears to be more payload on the 2019 RAMs. Not planning on changing trucks, but that is good info to know in the future or for some in the market for a new TV.

As Ted Knight said in "Caddyshack" "Well Danny, Hmm, Hmm."

Here are my scale weights with most everything I usually carry on trips.

TRUCK (With full fuel and all equipment/cargo & passengers)
2018 RAM 3500 4x4 CC SB SRW 3.42
Aisin Trans HO CTD/ 5K Air Lift bags
16K Curt Slider Hitch / Door Sticker payload:3822

GVWR: 11700 Max
GAWR: Front 6000 Max Rear 7000 Max
GVWR: 25300 Max
Max Trailer: 17050 Max

TRAILER
2017 Keystone Laredo 350 FB (All tanks dry,full propane tanks,tools, equipment,clothes,some groceries ect...)
Dry Weight: 11230
Cargo Capacity: 1770 Max
GVWR: 13000 Max
Hitch: 2085

SCALE WEIGHTS
TV: (No trailer) Front 5100
Rear 3960= 9060

TV and 5er: Front: 5200
Rear: 6220= 11420
Subtract TV (No trailer) : 9060=2360-Pin Weight

Trailer Axel: 10020
Add Pin: 2360=12380 5er GCWR

GCWR 12380 – 11230 (Dry Trailer) = 1150 Cargo

GCWR: (Connected) Truck 11420 + 10020= 21440

[Snoking]

Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger

SCALE WEIGHTS
TV: (No trailer) Front 5100
Rear 3960= 9060

What this shows is that the empty weight in the charts has to be a bare bones model with no fuel etc.

31 fuel at 7.1 = 220
7.5 DEF at 8 = 60
hitch = 250
passenger + actual driver over 150 = 200
That is 730 of the over 1K you gained.

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger

Snoking,
Thanks for that info.
I was just trying to figure out how the same model (actually a heavier Laramie package) could come off the lot half a ton lighter. I'm missing something here, and off the top it appears to be more payload on the 2019 RAMs. Not planning on changing trucks, but that is good info to know in the future or for some in the market for a new TV.

As Ted Knight said in "Caddyshack" "Well Danny, Hmm, Hmm."

Here are my scale weights with most everything I usually carry on trips.

TRUCK (With full fuel and all equipment/cargo & passengers)
2018 RAM 3500 4x4 CC SB SRW 3.42
Aisin Trans HO CTD/ 5K Air Lift bags
16K Curt Slider Hitch / Door Sticker payload:3822

GVWR: 11700 Max
GAWR: Front 6000 Max Rear 7000 Max
GVWR: 25300 Max
Max Trailer: 17050 Max

TRAILER
2017 Keystone Laredo 350 FB (All tanks dry,full propane tanks,tools, equipment,clothes,some groceries ect...)
Dry Weight: 11230
Cargo Capacity: 1770 Max
GVWR: 13000 Max
Hitch: 2085

SCALE WEIGHTS
TV: (No trailer) Front 5100
Rear 3960= 9060

TV and 5er: Front: 5200
Rear: 6220= 11420
Subtract TV (No trailer) : 9060=2360-Pin Weight

Trailer Axel: 10020
Add Pin: 2360=12380 5er GCWR

GCWR 12380 – 11230 (Dry Trailer) = 1150 Cargo

GCWR: (Connected) Truck 11420 + 10020= 21440

Don't understand why you think my truck is 1,000 pounds lighter.

I have not weighed the truck yet but will shortly.

but they are not the same truck. Mine is long wheel base yours a short wheel base. My GVWR is 600-lb higher than yours and my GCWR is 3k more bases on my 3.73 rear end.

[Laredo Tugger]

Originally Posted by rush2112

Picked up a 2019 3500 SRW 4x4 Diesel Laramie 3 weeks ago from Hendrick Ram in Concord NC for $15k off MSRP. If you're only getting $8k off a gas engine you may want to continue looking. If you can get like I did off of a diesel it may be near the same price at the end of the day as your gas.

Your original post did not say long bed. It's not that the truck is 1000 lbs. lighter,just the payloads are offset by that much. I guess the payload differences are between the short and long bed frames. You learn something new every day, at least I did.
Thanks,
RMc

[Jim2366]

Wow, that is an awesome discount, I just got 10k off and soon after they were taking 12,500 off to clear the 2019's to make room for the 2020's.

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by rush2112

Here you go. 1st hook up. Since have lowered ball mount to bring tongue down, and added airbags. My payload from sticker is 4288.

Attachment 24690

If you'd carry that boat somewhere besides the tongue of your TT you may not have needed the airbags!!!!!!

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

If you'd carry that boat somewhere besides the tongue of your TT you may not have needed the airbags!!!!!!

Bwahahahaha.

[Laredo Tugger]

Originally Posted by Snoking

What this shows is that the empty weight in the charts has to be a bare bones model with no fuel etc.

31 fuel at 7.1 = 220
7.5 DEF at 8 = 60
hitch = 250
passenger + actual driver over 150 = 200
That is 730 of the over 1K you gained.

I will have to check my weight tickets but I believe the 9060 was the scale weight of the TV with everything you listed. Now where did I put THAT folder? Anyway,
I remember getting fuel and weighing (TV only) then coming back with the trailer for the second weigh in.
RMc

[Big1]

Originally Posted by rush2112

Here you go. 1st hook up. Since have lowered ball mount to bring tongue down, and added airbags. My payload from sticker is 4288.

Attachment 24690

Wow, brother I really love your setup, beautiful, just beautiful and I know that it two like a dream, come on summer.

[rush2112]

Originally Posted by Big1

Wow, brother I really love your setup, beautiful, just beautiful and I know that it two like a dream, come on summer.

Thanks. Toy hauler will be for sale after Bike Week. Just got the truck a bit early due to crazy prices.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Gegrad

Sorry to say, you can't get the discounts when you order; They only give the discounts for what they are currently running when the truck arrives at your dealer (approx 2 months, and nobody knows what they will be in 2 months). I had talked to several dealers about ordering one over the last few months and they all said the same thing. I suppose if you had someone on the inside this could be different, but if you order you are at the mercy of whatever the specials are when it arrives.

And the employee pricing is big- I got over $8k off sticker last week, because there are other discounts that stack with the pricing right now. I did not get exactly what I wanted, but decided that the ridiculous pricing right now was worth a few trade offs.

Just an update Matt. Still in the process of trying to get this done but the dealership has been working on the build sheet for the truck all day and sent me what they had worked up. It has the exact truck I want and.....the employee pricing at the bottom and....it will be a 2020!!