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Old 11-25-2018, 05:29 PM   #1
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LCI 3.O Level Up system

Friends of ours just got a new Cougar travel trailer. I do not know the model but it does state half ton towable on it. It has the LCI 3.0 electric level up system on it. We have can work them twice and both times the system has either had the tires nearly off the ground or completely off the ground. This last time we lifted each side separately and placed some boards under the tires and releveled. I think he is starting with his tongue Jack too high. Is it ok for the trailer to set with the tires off the ground?
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:34 PM   #2
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Iíll be following this thread as I havenít had any hands on experience with the 3.0 for travel trailers. Ground control 3.0 on fifth wheels will lift tires off the ground to obtain level and I know itís not an issue with them. Iím thinking itís all good with the travel trailer system too.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:36 PM   #3
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I had a similar problem with my 5th wheel. After unhitching I lower the front to near level and then turn on auto level. Always works correctly now.
I understand it is designed to handle the entire weight, but I like to keep some weight on the tires.
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Old 11-25-2018, 05:39 PM   #4
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I was surprised when they told me their new TT had auto level. The rear jacks look like the ones on a 5th wheel but the front jacks look like super heavy duty stabilizers.
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Old 11-25-2018, 06:10 PM   #5
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Dennis,
I believe what the Chuckster said 100%. However, my comfort zone is having all 4 wheels and the 4 leveling jacks on the ground.
Here's what I do if I get to a site that isn't level side to side or front to back or (usually) both:
I use the Camco Tri Leveler under the low side wheels to level side to side. Then use the front landing gear (tongue jack for your buddy) to level front to back. This gets me pretty close. Then I engage the leveling system (auto level). That fine tunes the level for the entire rig. Whole unhook and level process is less than 15 minutes.
I also use the stacking blocks under the landing gear and leveling jacks. Again, raising the low sides as needed.
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Old 11-25-2018, 07:05 PM   #6
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Thanks Canonman, I'll pass your tips on to our friends.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:19 AM   #7
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Does the 3.0 for travel trailers have 4 jacks or 2 and the tongue jack?
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:45 AM   #8
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it has 4. the 2 in the rear are the tube type and the 2 in the front look like heavy duty stabilizers.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:08 PM   #9
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In my experience, yes it will lift tires off the ground depending on how unlevel the site is. I left it that way once and honesty didn’t notice much difference in how stable the TT was compared to wheels on the ground. The tongue too high at start shouldn’t matter, unless the 3.0 need more Hight to level and runs out of travel. If that happens, you will have an error.

That said if I thinks it’s unlevel enough to lift tires completely, I try to put something down and drive up on to level side to side a little closer. Same thing with tongue jack, although more than once the system needed a lower tongue and ran out of travel down because I had too much blocks. I have gotten decent at just eyeballing the site on whether something is needed or not. Usually though, I have luxury of knowing the sites that are pretty level and don’t need it or can go check them out first. Then just push the button and watch her go.
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Old 11-26-2018, 05:19 PM   #10
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Does the 3.0 for travel trailers have 4 jacks or 2 and the tongue jack?
Javi, I don't know all the ins and outs of the 3.0 leveling system for travel trailers but they must make 2 kinds. I've looked at a lot of trailers where I require self leveling. Seems most trailers from Keystone have the leveling with 4 points (I just watched a video on an Outback that touted a 7 point leveling system?). I stopped at the CW in Tallahassee last spring and asked to see the biggest, nicest, most luxurious travel trailer they had with self leveling....a Jayco Eagle is what they had. The sales guy started telling me all about the leveling system (I sure think the feet that I saw had 3.0 in yellow on the bottom), but, it was a 3 point system; 2 straight down levelers as I recall and he said the 3rd "point" was the jack. I told him that was not top notch nor was it something that could work correctly.
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Old 11-26-2018, 07:37 PM   #11
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LCI makes the ďground controlĒ electric system and ďlevel upĒ hydraulic system.

BAL also makes an electric system for travel trailers.

Ground control comes in 4 or 6 jacks, on the fifth wheel system which includes the front landing gear. Level up is a 6 jack system which includes the front landing gear.

I havenít seen the Ground control or the BAL in person yet so I donít know the specifics.

If I remember right the Outback uses the BAL system.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:22 PM   #12
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Hey Louie I have a cougar ht,with auto level,first time I used it ,it lifted the tires,what you need to do after unhooking the tow vehicle,is lower the tounge jack,then system will auto level.
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Old 11-27-2018, 04:49 PM   #13
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I did read my owners manual on the 3.0 and it says it will lower the front to near level and then auto level all. My unit does not seem to handle that task well, so I also lower the front to near level and after that I push auto level. If I donít and the front is too high it has taken the tires off the ground.
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Old 11-27-2018, 06:13 PM   #14
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Tongue too high seems to be the problem. My buddy was stacking 6 bys under the tongue jack. He had a chance to call LCI and they also suggested to put just one 2 by under the jack. He hasn't had a chance to try it but I'm guessing that's the cause based upon your all experiences and what LCI told him. Thanks for all your help.
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Old 11-28-2018, 04:59 AM   #15
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have them watch the LCI video. https://www.lci1.com/ground-control-3#video

Tires can be off the ground but if the ground is level the trailer shouldn't be lifting the tires off the ground.
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Old 11-28-2018, 07:20 AM   #16
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Also, the Ground Control system will attempt to return the hitch coupler to the position it was at when the auto-level program was initiated - to make it easier to hitch up when departing. I've seen some say this feature doesn't work well, but it's worked for me every time (knock on wood ).

It's not that difficult to re-position the tongue after retracting the landing gear, but the feature is there if you choose to use it.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:48 AM   #17
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We have a 2018 Cougar 32 RLI with LCI 3.0 and have only had a couple of problems while learning how the system works in the beginning. I use a couple of 4 ft. long 2x8 boards to level the trailer from side to side if needed before using the system. I also put a few plastic blocks under each leg to avoid "out of stroke" error. I did have one instance of tires coming off the ground early on but none since using the boards. The Auto Level is very effective and I verify with a hand level.
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Old 12-02-2018, 08:53 AM   #18
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On my previous TT’s and my new Cougar 5th wheel trailer I bought a couple of 2” x 8” x 5 foot boards and use them to level side to side then the front jacks to level front to back and the rear jacks are for stability.
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Old 12-02-2018, 09:25 AM   #19
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I'm curious why everyone seems so concerned with the wheels coming off the ground - some even going so far as to say it's not working correctly. As I understand it, the Ground Control 3.0 can support the weight of the trailer without the wheels touching the ground. In the cases where we have that with our trailer, I've not noticed any issue with the stability of the trailer - still feels rock solid.


Why not just let it do it's thing?


Note: Our system uses electric motors so there is no worry about losing hydraulic pressure and having one or more legs "fail".
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I'm curious why everyone seems so concerned with the wheels coming off the ground - some even going so far as to say it's not working correctly. As I understand it, the Ground Control 3.0 can support the weight of the trailer without the wheels touching the ground. In the cases where we have that with our trailer, I've not noticed any issue with the stability of the trailer - still feels rock solid.


Why not just let it do it's thing?


Note: Our system uses electric motors so there is no worry about losing hydraulic pressure and having one or more legs "fail".
I agree... I actually use the 3.0 Ground Control to jack the trailer up and remove the tires to rotate the tires or pack wheel bearings... a couple of weeks ago I did it to replace all four tires...
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