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Old 07-27-2018, 06:45 PM   #1
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Towing capacity

Hello everyone,
I have a question that I'm sure has been and is always out there. I am trying to figure out if my truck can pull the two trailers that we have picked out. I have a 2011 f-150, with 5.0 - Yellow sticker on the door says is is rated at 7250. We are looking at the Passport 2400 and 2670. The 2670 dry says it is around 5200. I know you never pull a dry trailer and the tongue weight is at 625. The 2400 is 4930 dry and 500 on the hitch.
So are both of those coaches too big? What details am I missing.
I am relying on the knowledge of all of you before I make this first purchase. Of course the dealer says my truck can pull it, I know his job is to sell campers.

Help.
Thank you for any advice.
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Old 07-27-2018, 06:58 PM   #2
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Does the 7250 refer to the gross vehicle weight or the tow capacity?


If it is tow capacity then the 7250 lbs includes not just the trailer, but also anything in your vehicle including passengers. For example if you had cargo in your bed weighing 1,000 lbs the 7250 tow capacity would be lowered to 6250. Also tongue weight counts toward payload weight. What is the payload capacity of the truck?
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Old 07-27-2018, 07:40 PM   #3
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1560 is the payload capacity -the GVWR is 7350
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Old 07-27-2018, 08:08 PM   #4
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List the gross loaded weight of the trailers. That is about where the real trailer weigh will be. Figure up to 15% of that number as the true tongue weight. See my trailer below, loaded tongue weight was scaled at 920 lbs. I think the manual list dry tongue at 540 or close.
So if those trailers are anywhere near 900 lbs tongue weight minus that from your payload along with anything else you have added or carry in the truck. Then see what is left as a safety margin. If you have 'P'" rated tires on the truck they may not to up to the extra weight.
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Old 07-27-2018, 09:04 PM   #5
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Strong word from Ken. He's right on the money with great advice.
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Old 07-28-2018, 01:39 PM   #6
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You can tow somewhere between 7,600 to 10,000 depending on rear end gears and configuration, according to Ford. My F150 5.0 2017 is at 9,000, but we chose a trailer that is only 4,100 dry, to stay well below the limit. We also got a weight distribution/sway control hitch system just to be safer.

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/..._F150nov18.pdf
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Old 07-28-2018, 02:24 PM   #7
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Both trailers the OP listed are 7k gvw. Figure tongue at 900 lbs. If you have any size family and take anything in the truck you will probably exceed your payload of 1560. Of course, you have to add the hitch (100lbs or so), batteries etc. A 7k trailer on a 150 is a lot - I highly doubt you will like the towing experience.
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Just my 2 cents worth since I pulled a 2670 last year with a f150 5.0 355 rear end with the tow package. When I pulled out of the dealer with the trailer empty and a brand new e2 hitch I could not believe how well the truck towed. Ford`s towing guide had 7700 lbs as max tow for that truck and verified by running the vin. When I hit the interstate I learned a few thing quickly. The whole back end was just to soft and I got a lot of push and pulling from semi`s and wind. Really wanted to make the truck work out as it was my late son`s first and last purchase right after college. I up graded the tire to E rated, upgraded the hitch to a e4 and upgraded the shocks to 5100`s. Wow what an improvement. I could now pull the camper well as long as I kept it around 60 mph. I was still concerned about my payload and watched closely how I loaded. Was still kind of tiring on anything over a 3 hour pull. So will it do it ? Yes it can but with the 2670 it was about all I wanted the way the truck handled and felt told me it was about at it`s max. It felt safe and would be ok for short trips. I wanted to make longer trips. I got a chance to buy a bigger truck and after trail and error have reached a goal I was looking for. 6 or 7 hours towing, setting the cruise on 68 locking out 6th gear. After getting their I am much more rested and less tire after a 3 hour pull with the f150. I think the 2400 would be a better match but just my 2 cent worth.
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Just my 2 cents worth since I pulled a 2670 last year with a f150 5.0 355 rear end with the tow package. When I pulled out of the dealer with the trailer empty and a brand new e2 hitch I could not believe how well the truck towed. Ford`s towing guide had 7700 lbs as max tow for that truck and verified by running the vin. When I hit the interstate I learned a few thing quickly. The whole back end was just to soft and I got a lot of push and pulling from semi`s and wind. Really wanted to make the truck work out as it was my late son`s first and last purchase right after college. I up graded the tire to E rated, upgraded the hitch to a e4 and upgraded the shocks to 5100`s. Wow what an improvement. I could now pull the camper well as long as I kept it around 60 mph. I was still concerned about my payload and watched closely how I loaded. Was still kind of tiring on anything over a 3 hour pull. So will it do it ? Yes it can but with the 2670 it was about all I wanted the way the truck handled and felt told me it was about at it`s max. It felt safe and would be ok for short trips. I wanted to make longer trips. I got a chance to buy a bigger truck and after trail and error have reached a goal I was looking for. 6 or 7 hours towing, setting the cruise on 68 locking out 6th gear. After getting their I am much more rested and less tire after a 3 hour pull with the f150. I think the 2400 would be a better match but just my 2 cent worth.
Thank you so much! That is the kind of feed back I am looking for!
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Old 07-29-2018, 06:30 AM   #10
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Thank you so much, that is the feedback I am looking for. As I am figuring this all out, want to do it right the first time around!!!
Thanks
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:12 AM   #11
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Just my 2 cents worth since I pulled a 2670 last year with a f150 5.0 355 rear end with the tow package. When I pulled out of the dealer with the trailer empty and a brand new e2 hitch I could not believe how well the truck towed. Ford`s towing guide had 7700 lbs as max tow for that truck and verified by running the vin. When I hit the interstate I learned a few thing quickly. The whole back end was just to soft and I got a lot of push and pulling from semi`s and wind. Really wanted to make the truck work out as it was my late son`s first and last purchase right after college. I up graded the tire to E rated, upgraded the hitch to a e4 and upgraded the shocks to 5100`s. Wow what an improvement. I could now pull the camper well as long as I kept it around 60 mph. I was still concerned about my payload and watched closely how I loaded. Was still kind of tiring on anything over a 3 hour pull. So will it do it ? Yes it can but with the 2670 it was about all I wanted the way the truck handled and felt told me it was about at it`s max. It felt safe and would be ok for short trips. I wanted to make longer trips. I got a chance to buy a bigger truck and after trail and error have reached a goal I was looking for. 6 or 7 hours towing, setting the cruise on 68 locking out 6th gear. After getting their I am much more rested and less tire after a 3 hour pull with the f150. I think the 2400 would be a better match but just my 2 cent worth.

How do you run the VIN to find max towing? We've got a F150 and a 7650lb trailer. I'm almost certain we can tow 11,300lbs, but after reading this thread, I'm now curious.
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:18 AM   #12
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It is about more than meeting one towing parameter. It's about meeting ALL the parameters. The Achilles heel of 1/2 tons is lack of payload.
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Old 07-29-2018, 07:47 AM   #13
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Half ton trucks are obviously more capable than ever before. But they cannot replace the heavy duty, super duty, etc. 3/4 and one ton trucks that are designed for the extreme loads. There is a big difference in hauling the ski boat or a small pull behind camper to the lake a few times a year as opposed to a 4 or 5 ton or more camper through the mountains. I do understand that we all have different budgets but unscrupulous sales people at the truck dealer and the RV dealer will tell you what you want to hear if it will close the deal. Truth is, yes it probably can get the job done, but not necessarily safely or even legally. Do your research, ask questions from those who have been there and take good advice. It doesn't matter what accessories you add to ANY truck. It will not increase what it is LEGALLY designed to carry. If you want comfort and peace of mind while towing you're better to err on the side of a larger truck than trying to use what is adequate. I have towed with a 3/4 ton gasser and other models right up to the F350 dually that I have now and I can honestly say, "Why didn't I get a one ton dually sooner?" Yes, it is a bit more difficult to maneuver in the parking lot as opposed to the smaller trucks but SOOOO much more stable with a heavy load! It's a trade off I can live with.
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Old 07-29-2018, 12:36 PM   #14
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How do you run the VIN to find max towing? We've got a F150 and a 7650lb trailer. I'm almost certain we can tow 11,300lbs, but after reading this thread, I'm now curious.
Have you got your window sticker? It will tell you if you have the Max Tow option. Copy and paste your VIN to Mike Murphy Ford website online for the window sticker as it was delivered from the factory.
If you have the Max Tow option it is rated to tow 11,300#. Mind you all of the other weights have to be within ratings as has been mentioned above.
Still I would not think of towing a TT much over 7000#GVWR with an F150.
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Get the specific data for your exact truck configuration here: https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/..._F150nov18.pdf
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:43 AM   #16
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Also, find out what your current truck actually weighs by each axle by using a truck scale somewhere. If the scales aren't too far away, the dealer may let you hook up and weigh the combination with all 3 axles weighed.
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Old 08-02-2018, 10:00 AM   #17
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The 5.0L engine will have the power to pull the weight but can the truck carry the weight you'll be asking it to carry?

I'm with ctbruce. The first spec you'll exceed will always be the payload number, then the rear axle weight. That was certainly my experience.

So my advice is to forget the "towing" capacity and concentrate on the "payload" capacity of your pickup.

If you end up towing 7000# actual weight with an F-150, make sure you upgrade your tires to LT tires. You might need to do air bags, too, but just remember that they are bandaids solutions and don't actually change the payload capacity of the truck. The axles, wheels, bearings and frame have not changed.

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Old 08-02-2018, 10:41 AM   #18
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How do you run the VIN to find max towing? We've got a F150 and a 7650lb trailer. I'm almost certain we can tow 11,300lbs, but after reading this thread, I'm now curious.
I couldn't figure out where to enter the VIN for the dealer that 66joej mentioned, but this one works awesome, gives you pretty much every detail for the VINs I tried:

https://www.ford-trucks.com/forums/vindecoder.php

The discussion forums are also a great source of info.
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Old 08-02-2018, 12:14 PM   #19
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Open up your drivers door and look at the specs sticker.
Than Goggle your trucks year & make towing charts specfications.
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Thanks everyone.

My dealership was able to provide me with my window sticker. We have max tow package, 3.5L ecoboost engine.

The truck door sticker shows me that we have L6 axle which is 3.73 axle ratio.

I believe we have 11,200lbs towing capacity, based on the attached chart.

I believe our payload is 1716#.

No, I have not weighed the truck with or without the trailer. Can we just pull into the the weigh stations and use the scales?

Our trailer is 7690lbs GVWR.
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