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Old 12-19-2017, 04:30 PM   #1
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Chinese Tires???

Well, one day "Chinese" tires may be American made?? I didn't see ST tires on their website.....

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Old 12-19-2017, 04:44 PM   #2
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Well, one day "Chinese" tires may be American made?? I didn't see ST tires on their website.....

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...cid=spartanntp
Somehow, that's just wrong!!

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Old 12-19-2017, 05:38 PM   #3
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Yaaaaaaaaa, just because "THEY" are physically located in the US, does not mean what they put out is anywhere the quality of domestic goods.

So, I just deleted my second sentence that was a rant that would not, or should not be on this forum and will just leave my first sentence as a comment on this subject.

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Old 12-19-2017, 05:58 PM   #4
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Old 12-19-2017, 09:27 PM   #5
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The tire of choice on many truck forum's are off shore brands. When Honda built in Marysville everyone laughed. Same as when Toyota built in Georgetown. Who is laughing now as Detroit is only a pittance of itself. Do not understate them.

I just purchased a new Forest River cargo trailer and the first 11 pages of the owners manual is devoted to Tire Safety. Seams we all need some tire education.
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Old 12-20-2017, 04:11 AM   #6
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Any way you cut it, that's 800 jobs brought back on shore, and money back in American pockets! I don't see a problem here...

If they build junk, they'll have to answer and conform to OUR regulatory process, more so than offshore unregulated products.
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Old 12-20-2017, 05:44 AM   #7
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From what I've researched, it makes absolutely no difference where a tire is manufactured. What matters is whether the brand has instituted quality controls in its factories to produce a uniform product. If you buy a 3rd rate cheap tire, I don't care where it's made. It's still a cheap tire. Buy a top-of-the-line Michelin, and you're going to get a quality tire, regardless of where the factory is. Michelin verifies their offshore factories are producing tires to their specs.
The well-respected large tire manufacturers aren't going to allow a Chinese factory to produce inferior tires under their nameplate.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:04 AM   #8
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Problem is we the tax payers are paying these corporations to come here. The way our trade is structured we the people get the shaft. Look at this deal Wisconsin made to get a company here.

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Old 12-20-2017, 07:32 AM   #9
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Any way you cut it, that's 800 jobs brought back on shore, and money back in American pockets! I don't see a problem here...

If they build junk, they'll have to answer and conform to OUR regulatory process, more so than offshore unregulated products.
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"The jobs are projected to pay an average wage of $56,450 a year, well above a county average of $32,642"

Seems like an almost $24K/year win for the folks in the area?

If they produce crap, the the US consumer laws of supply and demand should also influence the quality of the products?

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Old 12-20-2017, 07:59 AM   #10
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Greenie, I see your side of the issue. $225,000 over ten years per job created is a lot of public money. Let me take the opposing side for just a minute. (Yes, I have done that more than once) When a tourist dollar comes to Memphis it is turned over between 2.5 and 3.5 times trickling down before it's life comes to an end. Tourists are very, very important to our city. Yes, I do realize that tourism promotes minimum wage jobs. By the same token we spend an extraordinary amount of public money to further expand the finances of billionaires across this country by building massive sporting facilities and these businesses promote what in employment? Yes, minimum wage jobs. The 13,000 individuals employed by this company will be buying new homes, school clothes, vacations to visit Elvis' mansion in Memphis (a little humor) and new vehicles. And I haven't even mentioned the 30,000 or so associated jobs created from the trickle down effect. In my opinion Wisconsinites have landed a gem, not a rock. Many, many cities in this country and other countries would jump at the same chance.
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On that note, how much do you think the city that gets the new Amazon Centre is going to kick in to get the deal ?


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On that note, how much do you think the city that gets the new Amazon Centre is going to kick in to get the deal ?


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However much it is, that particular city will be paid back in spades from the jobs and associated taxable income that are created... And the local job market will be made a lot more competitive from blue collar all the way up to senior engineering..
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Greenie, I see your side of the issue. $225,000 over ten years per job created is a lot of public money. Let me take the opposing side for just a minute. (Yes, I have done that more than once) When a tourist dollar comes to Memphis it is turned over between 2.5 and 3.5 times trickling down before it's life comes to an end. Tourists are very, very important to our city. Yes, I do realize that tourism promotes minimum wage jobs. By the same token we spend an extraordinary amount of public money to further expand the finances of billionaires across this country by building massive sporting facilities and these businesses promote what in employment? Yes, minimum wage jobs. The 13,000 individuals employed by this company will be buying new homes, school clothes, vacations to visit Elvis' mansion in Memphis (a little humor) and new vehicles. And I haven't even mentioned the 30,000 or so associated jobs created from the trickle down effect. In my opinion Wisconsinites have landed a gem, not a rock. Many, many cities in this country and other countries would jump at the same chance.
"It would take the state up to 25 years to recoup its investment in the company, even when accounting for the economic ripple effect of the project, according to the nonpartisan Legislative Fiscal Bureau."

"could employ up to 13,000 workers" at what wage? We the tax payer will still support their low income health care, low income housing, low income food (WIC) above and beyond the subsidized job creation.

I completely understand your thoughts, they are very well made points. My issue is there are to many "ifs" with the deal. How well did it work out with the government subsidizing solar companies? Don't Tread on Me..... Anyway that is enough political for this thread before I get a slap on the wrist.
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However much it is, that particular city will be paid back in spades from the jobs and associated taxable income that are created... And the local job market will be made a lot more competitive from blue collar all the way up to senior engineering..

Agreed . . . .



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Old 12-20-2017, 03:58 PM   #15
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The tire of choice on many truck forum's are off shore brands. When Honda built in Marysville everyone laughed. Same as when Toyota built in Georgetown. Who is laughing now as Detroit is only a pittance of itself. Do not understate them.

I just purchased a new Forest River cargo trailer and the first 11 pages of the owners manual is devoted to Tire Safety. Seams we all need some tire education.
Manufacturing in Japan is nothing like in China
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Manufacturing in Japan is nothing like in China
Manufactures in any country can produce "crap". Fortunately they don't last long in the market place. I stand by my thoughts "do not underestimate the Chinese" at home or in the USA, they are totally capable of producing world class products.

From my view of the RV suspension and tire components I see a uptick in quality. I actually think they are listening.
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Manufactures in any country can produce "crap". ... "do not underestimate the Chinese" at home or in the USA, they are totally capable of producing world class products.
I remember, back when I was a kid, the "beer can friction driven cars" that we pushed around the kitchen floor (they often broke on the second push), were stamped, "Made in Japan". When I was a young adult with kids of my own, they were stamped, "Made in Taiwan" and my daughter's kids played with the same type of cars that were stamped, "Made in China". Now, Japan produces some of the best, most sophisticated products in the world, Taiwan produces some of the most reliable electronics on the planet and China is opening manufacturing plants in the US (following Japan's lead with Honda, etc)... I'm guessing it won't be long before the "cheap stuff" being produced by China gets shifted to India (or some other upstart country) and China takes its place alongside Japan and Taiwan.
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^ Agree. Just read an article on the electric car ES8 that is made in China. It has all of the features of the Tesla at half the price. Just a matter of time til we see a Chinese car in NASCAR.
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:09 PM   #19
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When I was working on aircraft electronics there was an old adage about technology and Japan. It went something along the lines of: Germany built the world's thinnest copper wire and Japan drilled a hole through the middle of it and called it a tube....

It looks more and more like the names change but the progress and evolution remains the same.....
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Old 12-20-2017, 07:18 PM   #20
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I seem to remember an awful lot of American tires that have been disasters...and how about American made cars? Just saying that's not necessarily a criteria for well made.
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