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Old 10-28-2018, 02:18 PM   #61
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"As an anecdotal comparison, just because a Cessna 172 wing is "capable" of 4G's and 350 KIAS doesn't mean that you can install a jet engine and make it a "high speed aerobatic craft"..."

Not even close to those G's and that speed.

...and not even Bob Hoover (RIP) could do that in a 172.
But good Lord what he could do with a Shrike Commander 500S !
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Old 10-28-2018, 07:08 PM   #62
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Maybe I'm oversimplifying here but here goes. SUV's (Sport Utility Vehicles) do what the name implies. Good grocery getter, ok OCCASIONAL off roading and light towing, i.e. great for hauling the jet ski OCCASIONALLY. I'd venture to say they are built that way because the majority of purchasers use them that way. Trucks are built to haul and tow. The bigger the truck, the more they are built to haul and tow. Years ago Chevy offered 3/4 ton Suburbans with a diesel. Ford built the Excursion, 3/4 ton SUV with a v12 and diesel options, arguably the best SUV ever built for towing. EPA fuel mileage standards and lack of sales killed them. So we have what we have, you can't have your cake and eat it to. JMHO
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Old 10-30-2018, 07:39 AM   #63
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Boy, I thought this closed out years ago.
In March 2017 I bought a Chevy Silverado based partly on the many comments here and partly past experience.
The 5.3l V8 in the Silverado actually puts out 10 HP less than the 3.5l Ecoboost in the Explorer but...
More torque, full frame, longer wheel base and NA HP is different than turbo, IMHO.

So, having tried both an SUV and a truck to pull a 4400 lb (actual weight when packed) TT the SUV was OK, at best, for short trips but not good for road trips.
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:13 AM   #64
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Trust Flybouy to mention the Excursion, sing its praises, and then bring up MPG! Our Excursion had exactly 300K when sold. No problems with the V-10 other than it blew one spark plug out of the manifold like was promised it would do. Yes, it would haul and pull most anything, including a 38' Fountain Lightning for almost 13 years. However it always pulled to the right when passing a gas station!
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Old 10-30-2018, 09:23 AM   #65
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We had a diesel Excursion and loved it (when we weren't hating it).... Ours had a 7.3L diesel, got about 17 solo and about 11 towing. It was great for the front and second row passengers, but those "in the back" were almost in a different time zone.... I don't think there was an option (available at that time) which wasn't on that "land yacht" (or maybe better described as a passenger cruise ship). We'd still have it if it weren't for parking lot spaces shrinking over the years.

It weighed more than a 3/4 ton 4x4 crewcab pickup and was built on the same chassis. It's one "dinosaur" that wasn't killed by the ice age, but by sheer size and demand for smaller vehicles.

The V-10 got less mileage than the diesel, but at $.70/gallon, it was still "less painful to tow with the Excursion getting 6 MPG than paying $3.29/gallon and getting 9MPG on today's similar sized crew cab pickups with a smaller engine.
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Old 08-14-2019, 10:47 AM   #66
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I was towing my 2016 Passport 195RB with my 2016 Explorer Limited with 3.5 l
Engine but I was constantly looking for a gas station. So, my wife now drives the Explorer and I bought a new 2019 Ford F 150 Lariat with the large gas tank and the trailer towing pkg., of course. The Explorer didnít have a problem towing, it was just the size of the gas tank and the fact that you canít pull in to any gas station so you may have to go further than you expected.
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Old 08-14-2019, 02:55 PM   #67
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Trust Flybouy to mention the Excursion, sing its praises, and then bring up MPG! Our Excursion had exactly 300K when sold. No problems with the V-10 other than it blew one spark plug out of the manifold like was promised it would do. Yes, it would haul and pull most anything, including a 38' Fountain Lightning for almost 13 years. However it always pulled to the right when passing a gas station!
Guess you never had the pleasure of owning a mighty 460 cid Ford gasser! ALL TIME BIGGEST GAS PIG!
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Old 08-14-2019, 03:37 PM   #68
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My first truck was a 460 gas hog. 3 speed c6 tranny. Coming up on 16 years ago I pulled it out of the weeds behind the house and got it running again. I still have it actually, needs a little TLC. It got a strong 6-8 mpg. Click image for larger version

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Old 08-14-2019, 06:59 PM   #69
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My first truck was a 460 gas hog. 3 speed c6 tranny. Coming up on 16 years ago I pulled it out of the weeds behind the house and got it running again. I still have it actually, needs a little TLC. It got a strong 6-8 mpg. Attachment 23225

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And I had an Ď86 F250 extended cab long bed with a 460 on steroids. C6 with a shift kit. Yanked the Jayco in my sig for a number of years-7 MPG hooked up.
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I was towing my 2016 Passport 195RB with my 2016 Explorer Limited with 3.5 l
Engine but I was constantly looking for a gas station. So, my wife now drives the Explorer and I bought a new 2019 Ford F 150 Lariat with the large gas tank and the trailer towing pkg., of course. The Explorer didnít have a problem towing, it was just the size of the gas tank and the fact that you canít pull in to any gas station so you may have to go further than you expected.
So true. Don't understand why Ford put is such a small fuel tank.
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Old 08-14-2019, 07:03 PM   #71
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Guess you never had the pleasure of owning a mighty 460 cid Ford gasser! ALL TIME BIGGEST GAS PIG!
11 MPG pulling the 5th wheel. 11 MPG pulling NOTHING. 2 tanks for a total of 49.5 gal.
But man would that sucker fly.
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11 MPG pulling the 5th wheel. 11 MPG pulling NOTHING. 2 tanks for a total of 49.5 gal.

But man would that sucker fly.


I had twin 20ís. High stall converter with a shift kit and yeah it would ďget the H upĒ!!!

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It passed everything but the gas pump. It was a blast to drive without the anchor attached.
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Old 08-15-2019, 01:54 AM   #73
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And I had an Ď86 F250 extended cab long bed with a 460 on steroids. C6 with a shift kit. Yanked the Jayco in my sig for a number of years-7 MPG hooked up.
It got about the same mileage towing or not. It was mostly stock. 230 monstrous horsepower. Lol

I towed a 27' Jayco J-crane 5th wheel with it. It did alright.

It sat unused for several years. It burns more oil now than it does gas.
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Old 08-15-2019, 03:30 AM   #74
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11 MPG pulling the 5th wheel. 11 MPG pulling NOTHING. 2 tanks for a total of 49.5 gal.

But man would that sucker fly.
Best one ever got was 13 on a highway trio where I never did more than 65. Lol. And the majority of the trip I was doing 55.
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Old 08-15-2019, 06:47 AM   #75
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We had a 1970 Lincoln Continental Mark iii with a 460. That "2 door coupe" weighed in more than today's half ton trucks and would cruise at 90 all day long, but I only remember passing one gas station the entire time I owned it (there were two stations right next to each other).... Otherwise, it pulled left or right at every station we passed.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:27 PM   #76
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Had a 460 in a Suburban. Loaded it up back in the day. Took the rear seating out, installed a mattress over my plywood. Used more at the drive in than for camping, actually only used at the drive in.
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Old 08-17-2019, 02:58 PM   #77
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Mine was my dad's before it was mine, running a custom concrete business. The thing was worked hard all of its life and spent a lot of time towing. Most likely always oVerloaded. We didn't know anything about looking up factory ratings.

You had a 'burb with a Ford motor in it? Or it had a 454? 454 was great also.
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It was the 454. When gas was so cheap it was not an issue.
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Old 08-17-2019, 03:53 PM   #79
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We had a patrol boat with the GM 454 and used a f250 with a 460 in it.
Used a tank of gas at around 15 gals in the truck to get to and back from boat ramp (around 5 mpg) and about 60 gals of fuel for the boat, every day when I traveled most of the shift on the Columbia River. Lucky I never paid for that fuel.
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When I took over the old gal, gas had just begun creeping up and was around $1.80, so it had begun to hurt a little bit. However, I was only paying for gas and insurance, but I was only able to work weekends. I tried to hang onto DDing it, but gas started to reach enough to make a truck payment, which is when I bought the old 99 PSD. Also a great truck. Click image for larger version

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