Carlisle Radial Trail RH vs HD

[mosquitoman]

Thank you for the info, I will have to research this more.

[gatorrig]

I thought I would never buy another Carlisle tire in my life after having a bad experience about 8-9 years ago. I purchased the Trail RH earlier this year after much discussion with a couple of buddies that work at Discount Tire. We have put several thousand miles on them and so far it's been a great tire. If that HD is an improvement over the RH than this guys have really stepped up their game. Hopefully the price will remain good as this tires gain popularity.

[Desert185]

As far as pricing goes, I went to Walmart online for my TV tire pricing a while back, then went to Discount Tire for the ordered tires and DC matched the Walmart tire price just by looking at the Walmart price on my phone.

Walmart price and Discount Tire benefits. Worth the effort.

[denverpilot]

DC rocks. There's just no other way to put it.

[Chinomax]

The new HD tires are good to 81 mph instead of 65. Chino

[Tbos]

5 new HDs LRD (vs LRC) went on our TT last week. It's trip with them is next weekend to the Delaware State Samboree.

[CWtheMan]

Here’s what the builder has to say about them. You be the judge.

http://www.carlstargroup.com/product...adial-trail-hd

http://www.carlstargroup.com/product...adial-trail-rh

[CaptnJohn]

Only 120 miles on the RH purchased recently. Probably right before the HD was put on the website. About 600 miles going on them tomorrow but only keep tires 2 - 3 years and HDs will be next unless they have another upgrade before.

[concours]

14,000 KM on our Carlisle Radial Trails still look fine after 2.5 years and will still get 1 or 2 more trips south for the winter. they still maintain air pressure and fairly even tread wear

[DMK]

What a coincidence that I see tyhis post the day after I had one of my Carlisle Radial Trail RH tires blow on a 35 mile trip! I purchased them about 13 months ago. I am meticulous on checking tire presure and had recently weighed my vehicle wheel by wheel and know I am not overloaded and my top speed is 65mph or less. I bought them after reading so many good reviews.Luckily the blow out did minor damage, but it did tear the heck out of the fender trim and the fabric holding the insulation above the tire, more stuff to fix now. This has me wondering how much to trust them now. I replaced it with an HD. Anyone else have a similar experience?

[Ken / Claudia]

DMK, I realize that nearly everyone that has a tire blow never looks into how/why or asks a tire shop or the tire maker to look at it and tell what caused the failure. Did you attempt to find out? There may not have been anything left to look at but, just asking.

[BigKidzFun]

Originally Posted by DMK

What a coincidence that I see tyhis post the day after I had one of my Carlisle Radial Trail RH tires blow on a 35 mile trip! I purchased them about 13 months ago. I am meticulous on checking tire presure and had recently weighed my vehicle wheel by wheel and know I am not overloaded and my top speed is 65mph or less. I bought them after reading so many good reviews.Luckily the blow out did minor damage, but it did tear the heck out of the fender trim and the fabric holding the insulation above the tire, more stuff to fix now. This has me wondering how much to trust them now. I replaced it with an HD. Anyone else have a similar experience?

Yep! Same story here. Lost an RH (3500 in damages) and replaced them all with HDs. We'll see. FYI, I never was over speed, over weight, over heat, or under pressure. The tire just plain blew up. These tires were 14 months old with about 3500 miles on them.

[CaptnJohn]

Not what I wanted to see you two. Just bought 5 RHs a couple weeks ago. Fingers crossed with only 1150 miles on them so far.

[DMK]

Just an update since my first blowout almost a year ago with the Carlise Radial Trail HD's: After returning from the SW last winter I decided I had better get a little more safety margin and after discussing my options at Discount Tire, opted to go to an F rated 235 85/R16 since clearance wasn't an issue less than .5" in total diameter difference. Since the size changed I bought 5 Carlisle Radial Trail HD F rated this was April 28, 2017 all DOT #'s put these tires as manufactured in FEB 2017. By October 1 all 5 had been replaced. 2 failed on the highway in July (This time I was ready having recently purchased an Ezee TPMS I was able to get pulled over before they blew completely saving lots of $$ on my trailer!), one was replaced upon further inspection at Discount Tire in September, after that they decided to replace the remaining for good measure. Now I'm contemplating uprading wheels and tires to go with an H rated commercial 17.5" tire, while I'm at it even thinking about upgrading to a MORrhyde 8K IS suspension with disc brakes. Like I've said before I am meticulous on checking cold inflation every travel day and keeping my speed to 65 mph or less. No longer Impressed with these tires... lots of $$ I know, but I've already made a lot of improvements on this rig including my solar system so whats a little more $$ to have some real saftey margin...

[notanlines]

Sometimes one just has to dig a little deeper in the the pockets to satisfy the urge. I believe yours may be the first major complaint with the Carlisle's that I remember in a long while. Generally the big four come out fairly well on this forum. If a few thousand dollars will make that worry disappear then I say "Go ahead!" You notice how easy it is for me to spend other people's money?

[DMK]

Well, when it's one's house you sure don't want to be on the side of road at all costs!

[Ken / Claudia]

Like I said before most do not attempt to find out WHY the tires blew up, I hope you asked that question. Some tire guys can and will give a opinion. At times we had tire failure investigated at major crashes. My own was easy, I looked it over and found the valve stem split, nothing to do with a good or bad tire.

[JRTJH]

I'm strictly speculating here and I don't have any specific numbers/weights to go by, but let's look at the potential for problems with a 2013 Raptor 300 and LRE or LRF tires.

First, the trailer is 11985 pounds empty with a cargo capacity of 4515. That's a GVW of 16500. Assuming a pin weight of 20% (3300) that would leave the 80% (13200) on the axles. With 4 tires, that's 3300 pounds on each tire. Looking at the floorplan, on the curb side there is a refrigerator directly over the axles and immediately behind that is a washer/dryer space. I'd suppose (as I said in the first sentence) by speculating, that since you're full-timing, you have a washer/dryer?

Have you, by chance, spent the time to weigh each wheel independently? My guess is that with LRE (10 ply) tires in either 23580R16 (3520 rating) or 23585R16 (3640 rating) your Raptor may be overloaded on that side or on one of the tires on that side. That may be the reason you had such poor performance with the 10 ply tires and even why the LRF (12 ply) tires which are rated at 3960 @95PSI.

With a "calculated wheel load of 3300 pounds" and floorplan locations of extremely heavy components, it's not unreasonable to see 300+ pounds of difference in wheels on the same side and 600+ difference in the pair of wheels on one side compared to the other side of the trailer. Add travelling with a full fuel tank or a full fresh water tank or partially full holding tanks can even magnify that "load imbalance"....

I'm in no position (with the limited information presented) to know for sure what loading the tires experienced, but it seems to me that there's got to be a reason why two sets of 10 ply tires and a set of 12 ply tires all failed on a trailer. It's just not "fate" that caused the failures. If it were my trailer, I'd dig further into the problem and find "why" it happened.

[sourdough]

I know this is contrary to the thinking of many but it, in my mind, makes sense.

The going theory is that you need to have tires able to support the weight of the trailer minus the tongue/pin weight. I disagree with that. I go with the gvw. Why?

Sitting on flat ground the tires ARE only supporting the trailer less the tongue/pin, but in actual driving those numbers are all over the place. I don't recall driving on lots of perfectly level highways; particularly without humps, bumps, undulations etc. Heck, some of I20 in LA and MS will have your truck/trailer somersaulting if you're not careful. In that instance, when the tail of the truck is up in the air along with the front of the trailer, just about the entire weight of the trailer, plus momentum is pushing on those tires. If they are rated to carry less than the weight of the trailer you're just asking for a problem IMO. And this is happening constantly on the road, so, I just look at the gvw and give myself cushion from there. I'm sure some disagree but I am convinced that is the reason so many OEM tires decide to blow - they were undersized in the first place. JMO - YMMV

[Javi]

I'm running the HD's ST235/80R 16's LL 3520 so... 14k and my trailer is 12.3K GVWR got a little over 3K miles on them this year...