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Old 01-23-2023, 07:41 AM   #1
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Springdale 202RD

We are looking at a used 202RD that is in very good shape, we are getting a more detailed inspection done this coming weekend.

Any gotchas or things we should be looking for? We've had other trailers, but not a Keystone. There have been a few posts here in this forum that I have read, and a couple of quick walk-through videos on YouTube, but they are not very detailed.
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Old 01-23-2023, 08:10 AM   #2
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Welcome to the forum. How "used", 6 mos., 10 years?? What year is it?
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Old 01-23-2023, 08:30 AM   #3
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Sorry, it's a 2020.
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Old 01-23-2023, 10:13 AM   #4
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IMO the criteria is the same no matter what age it is. Is it at a dealer or a private sale.

Make the seller demonstrate that everything works. Inspect the roof, look at all the seals.
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Old 01-23-2023, 12:28 PM   #5
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The Springdale line of travel trailers (not fifth wheels) are built with wood frames. While they are durable as long as they are kept dry, any leaks can lead to frame rot in a very short time. Trailers with slides increase the risk of leaks around the slides and those leaks increase the risk of water damage and rot around the slide location. Typically floors and wall framing "at the slide" are first to be damaged.

Be very careful in how you inspect the areas where the slide is installed, the trailer floor at the corners of the slide and the walls in those areas are where you'll find the "water stains" which would be an indication to "dig deeper" in those areas.

Water damage from leaks can be a real issue in any travel trailer, aluminum frame or wooden frame, but leaks in wood frame trailers can lead to structural issues much faster with wood frame trailers like the Springdale or Hideout lines.

They're great trailers if they aren't damaged, but....... A careful and thorough inspection is your best assurance against buying a "problem trailer"...
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Old 01-23-2023, 03:47 PM   #6
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In 2019 we bought our 2017 springdale used. It was our first TT after previously owning a PUP. I thoroughly checked it out beforehand and have had no issues other than normal wear and tear. While it's not a fancy keystone model, it was still an investment for our family and a risk buying used. Our dealer was legit and I have no regrets. Test and ask questions about EVERYTHING. Good luck, and don't be afraid t ask questions here.
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Old 01-24-2023, 02:35 AM   #7
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I purchased a new 2020 202RD in June of 2020. I traded it in last year for something with more room. The only issue I had was one of the back windows not wanting to sit flush when closed. Overall it was a good camper it just didn't work to well for us when we went to a seasonal spot. I will say that you won't be able to run the ac, electric hot water heater, and coffee pot at the same time, too much amp draw.
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Old 01-24-2023, 07:35 AM   #8
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Our second hard-sided travel trailer was a Keystone Springdale. It was a great trailer. We had it for 8 years and never had any issues. I replaced the tires once (went with Carlisle's) and replaced the battery once. Never had any leaks, problem, failures, or anything. The only reasons we traded was because the couch was a low back (not even a hide-a-bed) and horribly uncomfortable. The kitchen area was a booth with horribly uncomfortable seating. We ended up stretching out in our bedroom to relax, and after about 7 years, realized we were spending less and less time in the trailer. In the 8th year, we decided if we were going to continue camping, we needed a trailer that was more comfortable. So we did. We traded. The replacement had high back recliner chairs, and stand alone kitchen chairs and table. (and a bit longer). But, as far as the Springdale went, functionally...mechanically...dependability...buil d...quality...suspension...appliances...electrical ...plumbing...windows...insulation...brakes...ever ything ... NEVER had a single problem.
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Old 01-25-2023, 11:00 AM   #9
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Thanks so much everyone, all good points, and great to know the experience you had with the trailer. I know that any trailer can have issues, especially when water gets in. This one is for a couple with a couple of small dogs and no kids, moving up from a pop-up. (I'm helping out the kids). The reason this model was chosen was the large windows in the back and the ability to drop it down as a big dog bed. No slides keep things simple.

It is from a dealer; however, they have limited options for pre-delivery checks - As is, Basic and Platinum. The first one is self-explanatory, Basic covers off LP pressure test, a light check and cleaning the unit. Platinum includes those items as well as a water test, battery test, propane tanks, visual brake inspection, breakaway test, appliance check, tire pressure check, a starter kit and a demo. Basic is $900 and Platinum is $1400. And this is a charge post-sale, if anything is wrong, it will cost more to fix it.

We are looking at a different tack given the limitations there. I have owned trailers for years, and done a lot of the maintenance myself during that time. I have a detailed PDI checklist (about 11 pages) that the dealer has agreed that I can walk through before any agreement is reached. They are pulling the trailer inside and I am going to spend a few hours running through the checklist, getting up on the roof and under the trailer and digging through things looking for soft spots, visible signs of water damage, 12 and 120v system tests, fit and finish (doors closing and latching properly, etc.). If all of that works out, then it's technically an as-is and we will get them to do LP gas test and inspect the brakes and bearings.

Does that sound reasonable, or am I hoping for too much?
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You WILL find things wrong with the trailer. Some will be cosmetic (after all, it is a used trailer) some will be minor, not affecting operation of the trailer, but should be repaired when practical, others will be significant, "DON'T BUY THE TRAILER WITH THIS PROBLEM UNLESS REPAIRED"...

Establish the ground rules for what the dealership will have to repair (at the generally agreed upon price) or you're just doing their job for them... If, for example, you find several things that need to be repaired, if they just "tack the repair price on the sales price" then you've done their inspection, still paying for the repairs that you'd have to do after the sale, and now paying interest for 10-12 years on the loan that just went up by the repair costs.

So, agree to some ground rules on who pays for what you find, be reasonable in expecting them to address scratches and stains on fabric, etc and focus on the "important things that will damage or destroy the trailer unless repaired....

Don't forget to check the date of manufacture on the tires. Chances are they are now "pushing 4 or 5 years old" and will need to be replaced, especially if they are "china bombs".....
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Old 01-25-2023, 12:14 PM   #11
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You WILL find things wrong with the trailer. Some will be cosmetic (after all, it is a used trailer) some will be minor, not affecting operation of the trailer, but should be repaired when practical, others will be significant, "DON'T BUY THE TRAILER WITH THIS PROBLEM UNLESS REPAIRED"...

Establish the ground rules for what the dealership will have to repair (at the generally agreed upon price) or you're just doing their job for them... If, for example, you find several things that need to be repaired, if they just "tack the repair price on the sales price" then you've done their inspection, still paying for the repairs that you'd have to do after the sale, and now paying interest for 10-12 years on the loan that just went up by the repair costs.

So, agree to some ground rules on who pays for what you find, be reasonable in expecting them to address scratches and stains on fabric, etc and focus on the "important things that will damage or destroy the trailer unless repaired....

Don't forget to check the date of manufacture on the tires. Chances are they are now "pushing 4 or 5 years old" and will need to be replaced, especially if they are "china bombs".....
Agreed, I'm not concerned about the cosmetic stuff (as you said it is used), scratched, etc., as more will come with the two dogs running around in the trailer. It's really things like finding places that look like repairs have been done, soft spots on the roof or floor, water damage around the water pump and heater, along the joints between walls and ceiling, bulges on the outside of the trailer, etc. Making sure the appliances are functional (replacing the fridge would by pricey), the furnace works, water flows without leaks, etc. Great point about establishing the ground rules of who will fix what, and not having them roll the cost of the repairs into the price.

And yes, tires are on my list!
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I initially asked how old because the magnitude, and types, of things that can be wrong amplify with age.

Since you are knowledgeable about trailers, have a pdi checklist and can do it, i would be extremely reluctant to have them do anything for the prices you mentioned - IMO those are beyond acceptable - but I don't live where you do nor in your situation.

As has been discussed I would not let them be the ones to assess anything, repair it and then give me a bill. It sounds like that is the plan with a $900-1400 pad to start. Do your PDI and give them YOUR repair list with estimated charges - don't leave them any open ends. If there are specific items you can't do, or don't feel comfortable doing, outline those with them with an agreed on price. The way their offer sounds makes my hackles stand right up.
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Old 01-25-2023, 04:08 PM   #13
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There's a PDI checklist on the forum. Use it and save some cash. Or download one. Dont let them do it. Youll be better off knowing where everything is and how it works. I got lucky. My dealer gave me a checklist (over 1/2 items not applicable in my TT) and I spent a few hours with my daughter helping me check it out.
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There's a PDI checklist on the forum. Use it and save some cash. Or download one. Dont let them do it. Youll be better off knowing where everything is and how it works. I got lucky. My dealer gave me a checklist (over 1/2 items not applicable in my TT) and I spent a few hours with my daughter helping me check it out.
Weldon, absolutely, that is the plan, I have a pretty solid one that I have tweaked over the years.

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I initially asked how old because the magnitude, and types, of things that can be wrong amplify with age.

Since you are knowledgeable about trailers, have a pdi checklist and can do it, i would be extremely reluctant to have them do anything for the prices you mentioned - IMO those are beyond acceptable - but I don't live where you do nor in your situation.

As has been discussed I would not let them be the ones to assess anything, repair it and then give me a bill. It sounds like that is the plan with a $900-1400 pad to start. Do your PDI and give them YOUR repair list with estimated charges - don't leave them any open ends. If there are specific items you can't do, or don't feel comfortable doing, outline those with them with an agreed on price. The way their offer sounds makes my hackles stand right up.
100% agree, the older the trailer, the more potential issues, and the more tolerant I have to be on what is fixable. There are some things that are deal killers (water damage, strange repair evidence, etc.), and we will come up with a set block of what we want done if we agree to the sale.

And yes, when I saw their price list and what was done for the pre-delivery, I was very much underwhelmed, especially since the only things I am not comfortable with is the gas test and brakes (I consider both of those life support/safety items and I won't do them).
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