Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Keystone RV Forums > Welcome to KeystoneForums.com! > New Member Check in!
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 11-12-2019, 01:25 PM   #1
Mike 3422!
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Massapequa
Posts: 4
Smile Towing Question

H1 Everyone, New to this sight and first post for me.

I bought a Fuzion 424 last year and keep it in Florida. My current truck (2006 2500 Silverado LT diesel) is not big enough to tow it so it I had it towed on sight. And I have been looking for a used truck to haul it with that will handle the 424. Pin weight is 3500 and dry weight is 16,000. I have done a lot of research and the more I do the more I get confused. So looking to see what other owners are using to get this bad boy from point A to point B.
Note: And would like to get a short bed dually if possible due to parking restraints where I am now. Any input or advice would be appreciated....:

Mike
Mike 3422! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 01:33 PM   #2
notanlines
Senior Member
 
notanlines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Germantown, TN
Posts: 6,308
Any Dodge Ram dually will do the trick, make sure you get the bigger of the two Cummins (I dont know if the little brother diesel is even offered in a dually) and thats the only of the big three offering a short bed. I say buy a long bed. Pick any of the big three you can afford, but you need a dually.
notanlines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 03:03 PM   #3
Mike 3422!
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Massapequa
Posts: 4
K. Thanks. Ill check out the Rams if they have the dually short bed. And They have new hitches now (Anderson) that will accommodate the short beds.
Mike 3422! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 03:18 PM   #4
flybouy
Site Team
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Joppa, MD
Posts: 11,714
When searching for a truck bear in mind that the weight and pin weight that you cited is an EMPTY weight that was only accurate when it was at the assembly line. Add in batteries, propane, and all the "stuff" and your weights will dramatically increase.

I'd suggest looking for a truck that can haul the GVWR that's almost 19,000 lbs and the pin wt of approximately 20% of the GVWR PLUS reserves as the truck will also have to haul the weight of everything added after it leaves the factory floor. That includes the passengers and pets, fuel, tools, and anything else added aftermarket such as floor mats, electronics (cell phones, tablets, GPS, Kids toys, food, drinks, etc.
__________________
Marshall
2012 Laredo 303 TG
2010 F250 LT Super Cab, long bed, 4X4, 6.4 Turbo Diesel
flybouy is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 05:13 PM   #5
Mike 3422!
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2019
Location: Massapequa
Posts: 4
Oh I know, gas, water, toys, all that stuff.

So that is why I am trying to find out who on this forum is towing the 424 toyhauler and what they are using and if they are having any issues. I don't plan on driving thru the mountains with it so it's basically south east coast And Florida.
But To be honest if I go by the weight and the pin weight of this thing I should be looking at 450's but I know most people are not using that.
Mike 3422! is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 05:39 PM   #6
Jim2366
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Midwest
Posts: 238
I looked at Ram trucks for over a year and found that if you use the site posted below it will tell you the max payload and max towing. I would recommend a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel truck with the AISIN 6-Speed Automatic Transmission. The extra cost is not that much more however it increases the max towing to 32K with the 3.73 axles. The 4.10 axles gives you more torque which is great for steep roads.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html
Jim2366 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 06:16 PM   #7
Bolo4u
Senior Member
 
Bolo4u's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: NorCal
Posts: 386
I have a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel, 4x4. long bed CC, DRW with the aisin and 4.10, Limited trim. My payload is 5121.

Your 5r is right at 19217 GVWR (based on the specs on Keystone website). Since the accepted pin weight is 20-25% of the GVWR, using 22%, you would be at ~4227 pound if you loaded it right to the GVW.

In my scenario, if I were towing your trailer, loaded, I'd have just under 900 pounds leeway, for occupants, hitch, cargo, etc. Id be really close.

Granted a lower trim level, regular cab vs. crew/mega, etc, will give you payload. Also, if you go with a Reese goose box type hitch, vs a conventional slider, you'll save a couple hundred pounds.

The only way Im aware to get a shorted DRW, is in the Mega Cab configuration, but you're right back in the same conundrum.

Even though you say you're not going to tow into the mountains an such, you never know.

At a minimum, you're definitely in DRW territory. When you go to look at trucks, look at the white and yellow payload sticker on the driver B pillar. That will give you a good reference for where your available payload limits are, and do the math from there.

Good luck.
__________________
2019 Ram 3500 CTD, CC, Limited, DRW, 4x4, Aisin/4.10's
2017 Ram 3500 CTD CC DRW 4x4, 6.7/auto (Sold)
2016 Cougar 333MKS (sold to Camp Fire survivor)
Bolo4u is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 06:21 PM   #8
rhagfo
Senior Member
 
rhagfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jim2366 View Post
I looked at Ram trucks for over a year and found that if you use the site posted below it will tell you the max payload and max towing. I would recommend a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel truck with the AISIN 6-Speed Automatic Transmission. The extra cost is not that much more however it increases the max towing to 32K with the 3.73 axles. The 4.10 axles gives you more torque which is great for steep roads.

https://www.ramtrucks.com/towing-guide.html
Well not real accurate, I put in my VIN on my 2016 Ram 3500 DRW 6.7 w/Aisin and 3.73. My yellow sticker has max payload of 5,411# the search came up with 5,560#.

It is at least close.
__________________
Russ & Paula and Belle the Beagle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
rhagfo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 06:22 PM   #9
Jim2366
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Location: Midwest
Posts: 238
Looks like we have about the same trucks. NC is our favorite place to go, we like the Blue Ridge Parkway, near Boone.

Jim
Jim2366 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-12-2019, 07:08 PM   #10
rhagfo
Senior Member
 
rhagfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bolo4u View Post
I have a 2019 Ram 3500 diesel, 4x4. long bed CC, DRW with the aisin and 4.10, Limited trim. My payload is 5121.

Your 5r is right at 19217 GVWR (based on the specs on Keystone website). Since the accepted pin weight is 20-25% of the GVWR, using 22%, you would be at ~4227 pound if you loaded it right to the GVW.

In my scenario, if I were towing your trailer, loaded, I'd have just under 900 pounds leeway, for occupants, hitch, cargo, etc. Id be really close.

Granted a lower trim level, regular cab vs. crew/mega, etc, will give you payload. Also, if you go with a Reese goose box type hitch, vs a conventional slider, you'll save a couple hundred pounds.

The only way Im aware to get a shorted DRW, is in the Mega Cab configuration, but you're right back in the same conundrum.

Even though you say you're not going to tow into the mountains an such, you never know.

At a minimum, you're definitely in DRW territory. When you go to look at trucks, look at the white and yellow payload sticker on the driver B pillar. That will give you a good reference for where your available payload limits are, and do the math from there.

Good luck.
__________________
2019 Ram 3500 CTD, CC, Limited, DRW, 4x4, Aisin/4.10's
2017 Ram 3500 CTD CC DRW 4x4, 6.7/auto (For Sale)
2016 Cougar 333MKS (sold to Camp Fire survivor)
Bolo4u, Maybe you could have a buyer for your 2017. I realize you are 3,000 miles apart, but you never know.
I don't know what you carry in your TV, but our 2016 Ram 3500 has a sticker payload of 5,411#. Well take that from a 14,000# GVWR means the truck weighed 8,589# off the factory floor. Well we have scaled it ready to tow with me, DW and our Beagle it weighed 9,950#, so 1,361# of STUFF! I do have an in bed tool box with some heavy items, but Wow, 1,361# of lost payload before getting to the pin.

Mike 3422!, the only way to get a shorter 3500 DRW is likely to go with a regular cab. I will say that our 3500 DRW you will get use to the size.
__________________
Russ & Paula and Belle the Beagle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
rhagfo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2019, 05:43 AM   #11
Roscommon48
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: grand rapids
Posts: 596
you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.
Roscommon48 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2019, 06:02 AM   #12
rhagfo
Senior Member
 
rhagfo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 4,180
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roscommon48 View Post
you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.
Wow, so now we don't need a DRW to tow a 19,000# GVWR 5er, with a pin that will likely exceed 4,000#.

That right I saw that the other day TV was squatting pretty good, tires less than round.
__________________
Russ & Paula and Belle the Beagle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
Visit and enjoy Oregon State Parks
rhagfo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2019, 07:27 AM   #13
Laredo Tugger
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: South US
Posts: 712
Yes, rhagfo is correct on two points here.
Yes a dually is definitely needed, even the OP admits that. I have a one ton SRW and I wold not tow that 42 ft. toyhauler.
And the OP should take a closer look at the truck Bolo4u has for sale. It sounds real nice and well taken care of (from the previous advertising post I saw,I would buy it if I was in the market). Yes it is a long bed , but for that size trailer (42 ft.) it would be best suited IMHO. You can always make a few extra feet for parking. Also a short bed dually is only available from Ram and will be hard to find used. True the logistics of a coast to coast vehicle purchase come into play,but with today's access to info (carfax,pictures, email,maintenance records ect..) not impossible to accomplish.
RMc
__________________
2018 Ram 3500 SRW Aisin Trans. HO CTD
Air Lift Bags -Curt 16K Slider Hitch
2017 Laredo 350 FB
Laredo Tugger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2019, 07:46 AM   #14
notanlines
Senior Member
 
notanlines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Germantown, TN
Posts: 6,308
I'm going to disagree with Roscommon on the phrase "You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys."
Wrong on both ends. I also don't think this is a 'weight police' discussion here. This RV is simply in dually territory.
__________________
Jim in Memphis, Wife of 51 years is Brenda
2019 F450 6.7 Powerstroke
2018 Mobile Suites 40RSSA
2021 40' Jayco Eagle
2001 Road king w/matching Harley sidecar
2021 Yamaha X2 Wolverine 1000
notanlines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-13-2019, 08:51 AM   #15
travelin texans
Senior Member
 
travelin texans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Picacho, Az
Posts: 6,809
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roscommon48 View Post
you can pull your trailer with you current truck but I would not pull it very far.


As for a truck, any one ton would work. If you are looking at 'new' I'd look at the 2020 GMC. Only about $85K.


You don't new a dually and I don't believe they make short box duallys.
Dually is absolutely needed with that much trailer!!
Ram Mega cab can be bought with a short bed! Overall length may not be much shorter than the others with CC & 8' bed, but is a "short bed".
Wrong on those two!
You may right about the $85k 2020 Chevy, don't know haven't looked at them.
__________________
Full-timed 10+ years
Sold '13 Redwood FB
Traded '13 GMC Denali DRW D/A
Replacement undetermined
travelin texans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 02:08 PM   #16
Roscommon48
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2018
Location: grand rapids
Posts: 596
I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.



For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-20....aspx#Full-Ton


https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd
Roscommon48 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 02:20 PM   #17
sourdough
Site Team
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: W. Texas
Posts: 17,601
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roscommon48 View Post
I am getting response from my earlier comment on what truck you might look at.
Again, YOU DON"T need a dually. Secondly, they don't make short box duallys. And lastly, some of the new one tons can and do pull what you are looking at.



For those who seem to disagree do your research. https://www.etrailer.com/faq-best-20....aspx#Full-Ton


https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/2500hd-3500hd

The only thing I get from the etrailer link is all of the trucks and their max tow ratings which don't mean anything. The gmc link does show one specific truck (srw) that has a payload of 4398. The issue is the gvw of the trailer is 19000 lbs. That equates to a pin of 38-4500 lbs. The srw won't cut it. That is the case across the vast spectrum of 1 ton srw - I've been looking for one but I have no intention of strapping a 19000 lb. trailer to one. So yes, I have done research and from my perch a srw won't work unless the OP wants to live life on the "wild" side. JMO
__________________
Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
sourdough is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 02:26 PM   #18
notanlines
Senior Member
 
notanlines's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Germantown, TN
Posts: 6,308
Be sure and don't click on this link showing a new Ram dually with a short bed. I'm sure it's just a custom job that some dude whacked off the back foot and a half for the Detroit Auto Show.
__________________
Jim in Memphis, Wife of 51 years is Brenda
2019 F450 6.7 Powerstroke
2018 Mobile Suites 40RSSA
2021 40' Jayco Eagle
2001 Road king w/matching Harley sidecar
2021 Yamaha X2 Wolverine 1000
notanlines is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 02:37 PM   #19
Brentw
Senior Member
 
Brentw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2015
Location: Chetwynd, BC
Posts: 378
Wow, I seldom weigh into this type of thing, but ya, do your research.
Tow is not carry, the srw in your attachment can tow 23500, but should not be carrying the pin weight that these trailers weigh.
Here's a pic of a sb dually.
__________________
Brent W
2019 Duramax dually
2015 Fuzion 325
2008 Goldwing
Brentw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-14-2019, 03:15 PM   #20
jsb5717
Senior Member
 
jsb5717's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2019
Location: Milwaukie, OR
Posts: 1,389
Here's a nice used one if you wanted to spend less. Just fly into Portland and drive it home

https://portland.craigslist.org/mlt/...014835387.html
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	2012 RAM Dually.jpg
Views:	210
Size:	274.0 KB
ID:	24363  
__________________
Jeff & Sandi (and Teddy - 7lb Schnorkie)
2018 Montana High Country 305RL
2015 RAM 3500 Crew Cab 4x4 DRW
Demco Recon Hitch on RAM Puck Ball
jsb5717 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
tow, towing

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates in any way. Keystone RV® is a registered trademark of the Keystone RV Company.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 03:25 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.