Front stabilizers are not even

[Opa 1]

About 2 trips ago when putting up the 5er my front stabilizers/landing gear did not match by a couple inches. I thought it was odd because I park on the same pads each time. When I got to the campsite on Friday I had to put a couple extra 2x’s under the drivers side stabilizer even though the pad seemed level in fact I only put 1 inch boards under the tires on the same side

Today putting the camper away I noticed I was more than 5 inches of difference between the two stabilizers

I looked and figured out you can disconnect one stabilizer and move the other to even them out. The longer side seemed to come down quicker than the shorter one. I would have thought they would go up at different speeds as well thus evening out but when raising them the longer one hung down by about the same 5 inch difference

How does this happen and how can I fix them to move at the same speed.

[chuckster57]

What system do you have?

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

What system do you have?

It says ground control 3.0 by Lippert

[HouseMouse]

I clipped this from the On-Line Lippert 3.0 owners manual.

"Basic Jack Operation
Landing gear (front jacks) can be operated any time the system is “ON”. By pushing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G),
both front jacks can be extended. By pushing either the "FRONT" and “LEFT” (Fig. 1H) or "FRONT" and “RIGHT” (Fig.
1I) buttons, the individual front jacks can be extended. If the touch pad is put in the retract mode, indicated by
the orange illuminated LED next to the “RETRACT” button (Fig. 1D), the front jacks can be retracted together by
pushing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G) or individually by pressing “LEFT” (Fig. 1H) or “RIGHT” (Fig. 1I) buttons, while
simultaneously pressing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G)."

https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0001518.pdf
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[chuckster57]

Retract all should bring the landing gear up all the way. Have you tried that, and are you sure the inner legs are set the same? You can extend the inner legs by pulling the pin and moving the leg, but I figure you know that.

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by HouseMouse

I clipped this from the On-Line Lippert 3.0 owners manual.

"Basic Jack Operation
Landing gear (front jacks) can be operated any time the system is “ON”. By pushing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G),
both front jacks can be extended. By pushing either the "FRONT" and “LEFT” (Fig. 1H) or "FRONT" and “RIGHT” (Fig.
1I) buttons, the individual front jacks can be extended. If the touch pad is put in the retract mode, indicated by
the orange illuminated LED next to the “RETRACT” button (Fig. 1D), the front jacks can be retracted together by
pushing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G) or individually by pressing “LEFT” (Fig. 1H) or “RIGHT” (Fig. 1I) buttons, while
simultaneously pressing the “FRONT” button (Fig. 1G)."

https://lci-support-doc.s3.amazonaws...cd-0001518.pdf
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Interesting, this is the same stabilizer but the directions seem to be for auto leveling system mine 5er does not have Auto Level controls and not real sure how I would make them adjust independent without disconnecting the power to one side

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Retract all should bring the landing gear up all the way. Have you tried that, and are you sure the inner legs are set the same? You can extend the inner legs by pulling the pin and moving the leg, but I figure you know that.

I have not tried retract all. I would need to hook back up to the truck before I try this. We have thunderstorms rolling in and not sure I can get to this today.

As the inner pegs you cannot assume my intelligence I am a newbie and could easily see myself not noticing this, but they are both all the way in. I typically use 8X8’s and sometimes don’t even have to pull the pins and use the inner pegs. As a side note I do this because somewhere I read it would cut down the trailer movement.

[HouseMouse]

Could you post up a photo of the control board?

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by Opa 1

I have not tried retract all. I would need to hook back up to the truck before I try this. We have thunderstorms rolling in and not sure I can get to this today.
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FYI, you do not need to be connected to the truck to retract all. The front will get very close to the ground so just make sure there isn’t anything under it. I retract mine all the time for washing the front cap as well as for storage. I have hydraulic so retracting them for storage protects the hydraulic shafts from corrosion, you don’t need to worry about that with the electric system.

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by bsmith0404

FYI, you do not need to be connected to the truck to retract all. The front will get very close to the ground so just make sure there isn’t anything under it. I retract mine all the time for washing the front cap as well as for storage. I have hydraulic so retracting them for storage protects the hydraulic shafts from corrosion, you don’t need to worry about that with the electric system.

That is good news and helpful to me when washing. Where do o find the retract all button?

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by HouseMouse

Could you post up a photo of the control board?

The main camper control board I. The basement?

[HouseMouse]

Originally Posted by Opa 1

The main camper control board I. The basement?

The Control board with all the buttons that you use to operate the system. Sorry for the confusion I may have caused.

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by HouseMouse

The Control board with all the buttons that you use to operate the system. Sorry for the confusion I may have caused.

Oh no trouble it is a simple toggle switch on the front one way is extend and one way is retract

[Opa 1]

This unit is very basic one toggle switch operates both stabilizers one if you retract to far you blow a fuse. I change the fuse about 4 times before I got smart enough to mark a line to stop at

[sourdough]

Brian are you sure you have the Ground Control 3.0 self leveling? Keystone shows the auto level as an option. What you are describing sure sounds like regular electric stabilizers. They have the up/down switches, will blow a fuse if you hold it too long and one side sags lower than the other at times. If you don't have a control panel where you can electronically level and an auto level button I'm thinking you've got the stabilizers.

[bsmith0404]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Brian are you sure you have the Ground Control 3.0 self leveling? Keystone shows the auto level as an option. What you are describing sure sounds like regular electric stabilizers. They have the up/down switches, will blow a fuse if you hold it too long and one side sags lower than the other at times. If you don't have a control panel where you can electronically level and an auto level button I'm thinking you've got the stabilizers.

I was thinking the same thing, but don’t the front jacks run together on a single motor with a drive shaft that goes from side to side? This one seems a bit confusing. If he’s talking electric stabs, yes one side is lower than the other on a regular basis, but front landing gear shouldn’t be.

[sourdough]

Yes you're right. I believe that 30RL is a Sprinter 5th wheel. Doesn't sound like a GC 3.0. The GC 3.0 runs with an electric motor on each jack (mine does) but not sure what he's got.

[Opa 1]

I only read the sticker on the out side of the stabilizer inside the front storage. You are correct it is just a basic system. I suspect the main frame of the stabilizer is used for the automatic stabilizers and these basic design and the sticker just follows adding to this confusion

I am not sure the technical name for the parts but I will try to explain the best I can.

Inside the front storage compartment there are two square tube one on each side. These tubes are bolted to the frame and each one has an electric motor and maybe a gearbox attached at the top. I believe it is possible for them to run independently but both are connected to the same toggle switch to extend and retract.

Theoretically these should only operate at the same speed, but some how the passenger side stabilizer managed to be more extended than the drivers side.

It is almost like the passenger side stabilizer extends faster than the drivers side one. When not under a load. When under a load they seem to extend at the same rate.as I can get the unit level.

I have corrected this difference by disconnecting the electrical connections on the drivers side stabilizer and raising the passenger side until they were even. I then reconnected the drivers side. This was the only way I could figure out how to run them independent of each other. Maybe the drivers side motor is weak or going bad?

After thinking about it overnight I figure one motor is dragging a bit (maybe going bad) I have a couple weekend trips planned in August and then it is scheduled to go in for it’s yearly service and inspection.

I guess it will be ok to go on these two trips not sure

[chuckster57]

If you have a DC amp clamp you can test both motors while extending/retracting. If you get a big difference then it may be a weak motor or bad leg.

[Opa 1]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

If you have a DC amp clamp you can test both motors while extending/retracting. If you get a big difference then it may be a weak motor or bad leg.

Thanks I do not but my friend might. If so I will check it