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07-21-2020, 08:37 AM
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2000 sprinter by keystone 250rks
Hi all I'm looking at a 2000 sprinter rks 5th wheel, and am trying to do my research, and coming up with squat, oldest I can find brochures or anything on is 04 and they apperantly didn't make same size that year
Long and short, Main thing I'm looking for is weights, the tag on the camper itself is missing.
If anyone could help me out with the info or point me in the direction would be great
Looking for overall weight load weight
And most of all pin weight
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07-21-2020, 08:59 AM
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NADA lists a 2000 Sprinter M-250 RKSL-MP, could that be it? You list this as your camper in your profile so if you've already bought it go visit a CAT scale. NADA lists the trailer as 26' long and the weight as 6,650 which I'd assume is empty. https://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2000/Keystone-RV
I'm guessing it may have a GVWR of around 8k. A 20% pin weight would be up to 2K but that's all strictly guessing. What are you considering using as a tow vehicle?
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07-21-2020, 09:53 AM
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I have a number beside my door under the grab rail... 278. My Cougar 5ver is a 2002 278EFS. I have a placard on my trailer but nothing is readable. Suggest you figure the length and number of slides and then google all likely floor plans to deduce your model. My personal opinion is that older Keystone products may just have been a tad better constructed and you will avoid to gee-gaws that people complain cause issues like remote control operation and automatic leveling, etc.
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07-21-2020, 02:47 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by flybouy
NADA lists a 2000 Sprinter M-250 RKSL-MP, could that be it? You list this as your camper in your profile so if you've already bought it go visit a CAT scale. NADA lists the trailer as 26' long and the weight as 6,650 which I'd assume is empty. https://www.nadaguides.com/RVs/2000/Keystone-RV
I'm guessing it may have a GVWR of around 8k. A 20% pin weight would be up to 2K but that's all strictly guessing. What are you considering using as a tow vehicle?
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I seen the nada weight, but after looking at several of their brochures (from different years) they are listing similar size 5th wheels at 6 to 700lb pin weights... (About 11.5%) they're not getting up to near 20% pin weights til over 30'
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07-21-2020, 03:34 PM
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Make sure you know what you are looking at. That 11.5% brochure "pin" weight sounds like the dry tongue weight for a bumper pull. Not sure there are any 5th wheels out there with a 11.5% PIN weight......still intact.
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07-21-2020, 03:37 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Smithcarter165
I seen the nada weight, but after looking at several of their brochures (from different years) they are listing similar size 5th wheels at 6 to 700lb pin weights... (About 11.5%) they're not getting up to near 20% pin weights til over 30'
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Historically, Keystone has always listed the hitch weight/pin weight as "empty trailer weights. Listed on every Keystone trailer brochure/website is:
Shipping weight (empty weight of the trailer with no optional equipment, no battery, propane tanks but no propane, no hitch, no spare tire or spare tire rack.
Hitch/pin weight (trailer in the "shipping weight configuration")
Carrying capacity ( same as payload on a vehicle, which is the amount of weight left from "shipping configuration to maximum GVW)
So, you won't find a fifth wheel (except for the small fiberglass bubble fifth wheels) with a 600-700 pound pin weight.
Even with Keystone's specifications, you'll NEVER EVER have the trailer "legal to tow" at the weights advertised in the specification sheets... Why they even advertise or publish such "propaganda" is a question I can't find an answer for.....
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07-21-2020, 04:21 PM
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Look inside the cabinet door nearest the sink. Our 2005 Keystone Sprinter Copper Canyon has the weight information there. It isn't complete by today's standards, it has dry weight, GVWR and payload. It doesn't list pin weight, safe to assume (yes, I Know!) 22%.
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07-21-2020, 06:25 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
Make sure you know what you are looking at. That 11.5% brochure "pin" weight sounds like the dry tongue weight for a bumper pull. Not sure there are any 5th wheels out there with a 11.5% PIN weight......still intact.
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Thinking maybe I did look in wrong section although I was pretty sure I did not.
I finally found a brochure for 01 sprinters, I'm getting a pin weight of 1200lbs off a 26' comparable setup, weighting 6985 uvw. Manufacturer specs on my Chevy say I can do a 5th wheel pin weight of 2250, (found this info under the Chevrolet Vin decoder) so I should be good
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07-22-2020, 04:12 AM
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That forum list with "manufacturers specs" has nothing to do with your actual truck and its capabilities.
What year/make/model/drivetrain is the truck? The info you need/want is inside the driver door on the white, white/yellow stickers; gawr, payload (occupant carrying capacity) etc. Post that info and you can get a lot closer to real numbers.
I will say that if the factory spec says your truck is only rated to tow 9000 lbs. with a 5th wheel I don't see any way under the sun you can come close to thinking about a 2250 pin weight....or anything close. Look at those numbers and post back.
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07-23-2020, 01:40 PM
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For 5th wheel trailers, you should always figure your weights based on GVWR for the trailer. I hope you will be able to determine this value. It is really important.
The pin weight should be estimated by taking 20% of the GVWR. The trailer marketing folks will try to convince you otherwise - don't listen to them.
The most critical "limit" you must be concerned with is the payload capacity of your tow vehicle. This is usually on a sticker on your driver's door post, but the real value is determined by weighing the vehicle. The available payload is the GVWR of the truck less the truck's current weight (with some small assumptions/adjustments).
After making sure you're within the payload limit, there are other things to check, like Combined Gross Weight Ratings, Axel weight ratings, etc.
Payload is always first, though, as it is usually the one busted when the trailer is too big/heavy for the truck.
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