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Old 05-07-2017, 08:14 AM   #41
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When I bought my 350 in '08 I did get a form from DMV asking me if I was going to use it for commerce. I said no and only had to pay the weight fees. I have passed numerous scales and never have stopped. I don't have a weight tag as the GVWR is 10,000 Lbs. If I read your statement right I'm actually required to stop at the scales?
No you're not required to stop. Its not that you have an F350, vs. a Ram 3500. Its since your truck is "limited" to a 10K GVWR. Trucks which have a GVWR over 10K are supposed to have their weights declared and thus are subject to stop at a scales.

In reality, nobody will ever likely have an issue with not stopping for a scale/or be subjected to enforcement action in their un-declared, over 10K truck pulling a 5th wheel... just know the possibility is out there. If you're legal in your home state, then usually you're legal in California.

Not to drift off topic to far, but kind of related, just to show the confusion and convoluted laws we deal with here...

In California you are required to have an RV endorsement (restriction 41) on your license, if you're going to tow a 5th wheel with a GVWR between 10000 and 15000 pounds.

Now, if you connect a flatbed/dumpbox/gooseneck trailer (or whatever type of utility trailer you can think of) to your pickup and the trailer GVWR is 10001 pounds or over, even if the trailer is EMPTY (yes, not even a banana), you are required to have a class A (commercial) license
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Old 05-07-2017, 10:40 AM   #42
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No you're not required to stop. Its not that you have an F350, vs. a Ram 3500. Its since your truck is "limited" to a 10K GVWR. Trucks which have a GVWR over 10K are supposed to have their weights declared and thus are subject to stop at a scales.

In reality, nobody will ever likely have an issue with not stopping for a scale/or be subjected to enforcement action in their un-declared, over 10K truck pulling a 5th wheel... just know the possibility is out there. If you're legal in your home state, then usually you're legal in California.

Not to drift off topic to far, but kind of related, just to show the confusion and convoluted laws we deal with here...

In California you are required to have an RV endorsement (restriction 41) on your license, if you're going to tow a 5th wheel with a GVWR between 10000 and 15000 pounds.

Now, if you connect a flatbed/dumpbox/gooseneck trailer (or whatever type of utility trailer you can think of) to your pickup and the trailer GVWR is 10001 pounds or over, even if the trailer is EMPTY (yes, not even a banana), you are required to have a class A (commercial) license
So just out of curiosity, how would an LEO, seeing you just wizzed by the scales, know without stopping you whether your 350/3500 was stickered as a 10000 or an 11500? So do they just randomly stop 350/3500s and look at the sticker because they have nothing better to do?
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:39 AM   #43
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No you're not required to stop. Its not that you have an F350, vs. a Ram 3500. Its since your truck is "limited" to a 10K GVWR. Trucks which have a GVWR over 10K are supposed to have their weights declared and thus are subject to stop at a scales
That's what I figured, just wanted to be sure. I know about the endorsement too. The bad part is DMV charges you for a renewal fee when you take the test.
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Old 05-07-2017, 11:45 AM   #44
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So just out of curiosity, how would an LEO, seeing you just wizzed by the scales, know without stopping you whether your 350/3500 was stickered as a 10000 or an 11500? So do they just randomly stop 350/3500s and look at the sticker because they have nothing better to do?
Well, if its a dually, it almost a given they should be registered with the declared weight. The SRW setups, a little more tricky. 99% of the time they likely won't look twice, as they are more concerned with business related commercial violations. However, if the vehicle is towing a trailer there might be more attention paid. Most of the time, at least in my experience, addressing the weight issue wouldn't be looked at unless they were being contacted for something else (expired registration, lighting, unsafe driving, etc.)
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Old 05-07-2017, 01:45 PM   #45
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Off hand, would you know what year GVWR's changed for 1 tons from 10K to 11.5?
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Old 05-07-2017, 01:55 PM   #46
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Off hand, would you know what year GVWR's changed for 1 tons from 10K to 11.5?
I have have no idea. Sorry...
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Old 05-07-2017, 01:57 PM   #47
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I have have no idea. Sorry...
No problem. Thanks anyway.
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Old 05-07-2017, 02:24 PM   #48
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Off hand, would you know what year GVWR's changed for 1 tons from 10K to 11.5?
Somewhere around 2004-2005 at least for Ford
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Somewhere around 2004-2005 at least for Ford

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Old 05-08-2017, 05:11 AM   #50
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One of the things some folks don't understand about California that causes confusion about "commercial" vehicles is that all pickups are required to have commercial plates...even El Caminos. The exception is the permanent camper installation previously mentioned. It's a revenue thing in Kalifornia.

My BIL just paid over $300 for Kalifornia commercial plates on his 1994 2500. My newer 2500 is only $126 in NV, and that includes paying more for veteran plates, which are non-commercial.
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Old 05-08-2017, 12:32 PM   #51
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The only exception to RV's in scales I know of, from personal experience, is Nebraska which weighs all vehicle combinations towing a trailer of any kind. They have the electronic pre-inspection and pull-in or bypass signs at the entrances.

When I passed by in 2003, we got pulled in, scaled and after a few minutes of sitting, released to go on without issue.

I agree with all who stated, most states allow RV's not go through the scales. In 30 years, that is the one time I have ever been scaled.

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In '09, I never stopped at any scales in Nebraska. Guess I got lucky? Travelled I-80 and whatever one runs North into South Dakota.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:56 PM   #53
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Had to laugh!! I grew up in California and drove an El Camino in the late 70's it had a commercial plate and I still remember what it was 1C66675.


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Old 05-08-2017, 07:13 PM   #54
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Thankfully I will never have to worry about the laws in either of those states....
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Good grief. Just read this entire post. I know two states I'm never gonna have to deal with traveling to. They probably have a law about additional taxing of out of state visitors as well...
I do not mind visiting CA, they have lots of beautiful places... just don't look for me moving there. I think I should just buy some property in NM, around 8,000 feet and keep one of the places here.

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Old 05-08-2017, 07:51 PM   #55
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+3... I will never bitch about vehicle registrations in TX again.



I do not mind visiting CA, they have lots of beautiful places... just don't look for me moving there. I think I should just buy some property in NM, around 8,000 feet and keep one of the places here.

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It is my understanding that you are mistaken about the laws in Nebraska. We have pulled through that state many times in the past four years and never stopped, never weighed and have never seen an RV in a scale. From AAA's Digest of Motor Laws I quote "All trucks over 1 ton must stop, except a pickup truck pulling a recreational trailer." Nebraska is a very RV friendly state, short on scenery, long on friendly people.
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In 2013, we were heading east, got off I-80 at Lincoln, to head through Nebraska City on the way toward Kansas City, and just west of Nebraska City I think, there was a scale, and the sign indicated everything towing was to go across the scale. We went through with no problem, but that was the only time we have done a scale anywhere.
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In good ole' California, any truck 10001 pound GVWR or over is ~supposed~ to have their weight declared (CVRA process, which is the little square weight sticker on the sides of certain vehicles) BEFORE they to or carry cargo. If the owner did do the process then technically they are required to stop at a scale empty or loaded/towing. The one ton (dually or SWR) are generally deemed a motor truck, vs. pickup truck.

Heres the verbiage:All registered owners or lessees of commercial motor vehicles operating at 10,001 lbs. or more Gross Vehicle Weight (GVW) or Combined Gross Vehicle Weight (CGW) registered with the California Department of Motor Vehicles are required to declare the gross/combined gross weight at which their vehicle(s) will operate (see de nitions below). Pickup trucks with no body type modi cations (e.g., utility bed added, stake, etc.) and an unladen weight under 8,001 and a GVWR of 11,499 and under are excluded.
The key word is commercial. If you are not selling or hauling things to make money with your rv you are not required to stop because you are not a commercial vehicle.
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The key word is commercial. If you are not selling or hauling things to make money with your rv you are not required to stop because you are not a commercial vehicle.
But in calif. pick up trucks are registered as commercial vehicles, and pay weight fees. It may be confusing to someone who doesn't live in Ca. I just finished paying over $100.00 in weight fees last month, and I have "commercial" plates.
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But in calif. pick up trucks are registered as commercial vehicles, and pay weight fees. It may be confusing to someone who doesn't live in Ca. I just finished paying over $100.00 in weight fees last month, and I have "commercial" plates.

Yep, I think it's obvious from many of the posts that folks (me included) don't think of a regular vehicle as being "commercial". We think of "commercial" meaning "commerce". In California they make a guy just driving to work a "commercial" driver to gain more taxes. No wonder one of the members is moving to Idaho to get away from it all.
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