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Old 06-21-2014, 04:49 PM   #1
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China Bombed!!

One week into a two month trip to the Pacific Northwest, we lost two, count'em 2, towmax tires in the same day enroute to Salt Lake City from Durango. Extensive damage to trailer skirting, flooring and electrical. Trailer will be towed for insurance inspection, etc. on Monday, currently in a hotel in Salt Lake w/DW and two kids; but all are safe and sound. Any suggestions on what to expect? When is a fifth wheel considered total?
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Old 06-21-2014, 07:25 PM   #2
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You are a long way from home. That would make me sick. What do you think killed the tires? You contact PowerKing?
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:29 PM   #3
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So much for thinking these work OK for the lighter rigs. You should have been a long way from maxing out these tires. As new as your rig is, probably not totaled, just a shame you had this happen. Good luck with insurance and the tire company. Hope you're not going to replace these tires with the same.
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Old 06-21-2014, 10:34 PM   #4
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No details about the the failures but, remember when one goes the other is over loaded and driven that way for how long? and holding x2 times the wt. until jacked up.
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Old 06-22-2014, 09:08 AM   #5
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I just got my 5er back. The right front tire blew out at 60 MPH and when't through the floor destroyed the cabinet, 110v wires, 12v wires, water lines, and drain pipes +out side steps, wheel trim,and the outside of the RV total my Insurance Co. paid $12,154.85 less my $100.00 Deductible. 5 weeks in the shop.Progressive Insurance wrote the check after conferring with the dealer 3 days after it happened. Sorry that it happened and good luck.
All 5 tires have been replaced with MAXXIS M8008 tires.
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Old 06-22-2014, 12:17 PM   #6
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Thanks for the info Brantlaker. What you described is similar to us. I checked the air pressure on all tires that morning before we left Durango. We have a TPMS which did not indicate any pressure or temp issues. With no noticeable warning the tread separated on the right rear tire. Changed to the spare and and continued to a truck stop. As we got to the TS the right front blew. Damage to all of the fender skirting with a hole in the floor under the refrigerator and stove. The wife opened the door and found particle board debris throughout the living area. Several lose wires are visibly damaged, but no water/propane leaks. Trailer will be towed to RV dealer on Monday for insurance inspection.
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Old 06-23-2014, 08:41 AM   #7
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I just got my 5er back. The right front tire blew out at 60 MPH and when't through the floor destroyed the cabinet, 110v wires, 12v wires, water lines, and drain pipes +out side steps, wheel trim,and the outside of the RV total my Insurance Co. paid $12,154.85 less my $100.00 Deductible. 5 weeks in the shop.Progressive Insurance wrote the check after conferring with the dealer 3 days after it happened. Sorry that it happened and good luck.
All 5 tires have been replaced with MAXXIS M8008 tires.
I replaced all my TowMax LR-D with the Maxxis M8008 LR-E BEFORE my 6000 mile trip last June and had no problems even with 105 temps. I ran the tires at 70 psi which gave them more load capacity without approaching the 80 psi rating of the wheels.
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Old 06-23-2014, 09:45 AM   #8
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SkiSmuggs, you will have much better service from those tires if you run them at 80 psi cold. The wheels are rated 80psi cold as are the tires, and are designed to handle the heat and resultant increase in pressure that running them causes. By running them at only 70 psi, you are losing the weight capacity they are capable of when running at 80 psi, and they will also run hotter at the lower pressure, which will prematurely age your tires.
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:06 AM   #9
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SkiSmuggs, you will have much better service from those tires if you run them at 80 psi cold. The wheels are rated 80psi cold as are the tires, and are designed to handle the heat and resultant increase in pressure that running them causes. By running them at only 70 psi, you are losing the weight capacity they are capable of when running at 80 psi, and they will also run hotter at the lower pressure, which will prematurely age your tires.
Thanks for the heads up!
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Old 06-23-2014, 10:20 AM   #10
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Here is a reference with TowMax warranty and road-side service info.

If your destroyed tires show signs of melted polyester cording you may have a warranty battle on your hands with TowMax.

http://towmaxtires.com/tires/Landing...ation=warranty


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Old 06-23-2014, 05:03 PM   #11
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how does the warranty issue work......would you make the claim thru your insurance company who then would take on Towmax? That would take you out of the mix other than being a witness for the insurance company. Anybody done the claim this way......especially when there is thousands of dollars in related damage.......Well either way I have told DW that we are upgrading our 5 year old tires too Maxxis tires.
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My Insurance co. tried to get the tire Mfg. to pay for the repairs and were turned down saying that I was going to fast, wrong pressure in the tire and the thing that pissed me off the most was that the 5er was overloaded. Just befor I left it at the shop for repair I had it weighed at a truck stop across the street the DW thought I was crazy. The ticket said 10,525lb thats 1,500lb less than trailer Max.
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Old 06-23-2014, 06:25 PM   #13
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I think its the corporate strategy to get out of paying claims. Stunning that keystone still mounts these tires on new rigs. I didn't know as much when I bought my rig as I do now and that's mostly due to gleaming info from forums like this. The next rig will not have Chinese bombs on it. They can take them off, give me a credit for them and mount Maxxis tires on. Or no sale.
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Old 06-23-2014, 07:19 PM   #14
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Thanks for the info everyone. Got the trailer to a RV repair shop today. Insurance adjuster inspected the trailer this afternoon, should receive the results in a couple days. Regardless, will be replacing all of the tires, probably w/Goodyear 614s, maxxis does not have a dealer in Utah.

Trailer will probably not be considered totaled; shop mgr said he has rarely seen one considered totaled.

So, we've adjusted our vacation from RV camping to road trip w/hotels and campsite cabins. We look like the Clampets; plastic storage bins in the truck bed and bicycles on the roof of a 1 ton truck! Contacted several KOAs who were very helpful in changing our reservations. Leave tomorrow heading toward Seattle area.

Will update as I hear from adjuster.
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Old 06-23-2014, 07:47 PM   #15
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At the end of the day no one was injured...so that's one good thing in this story...
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Old 06-24-2014, 02:58 AM   #16
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You could order the tires from Discount Tires on line and have them shipped to the Dealer.
http://www.discounttiredirect.com
or there are 6 MAXXIS tire dealers in Salt Lake City, UT and they can order them for you. That's what I did. You Have the time it will take at least 4-5 weeks to get the RV repaired as Keystone is slow to ship parts.
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Thanks for the info everyone. Got the trailer to a RV repair shop today. Insurance adjuster inspected the trailer this afternoon, should receive the results in a couple days. Regardless, will be replacing all of the tires, probably w/Goodyear 614s, maxxis does not have a dealer in Utah.

Will update as I hear from adjuster.
Ordered my Maxxis tires from Amazon. Checked mfg date when they arrived and they were made just weeks prior. You could have them shipped to the dealer.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:16 AM   #18
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:31 AM   #19
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It is experiences such as these that scared me into springing for the Maxxis tires to replace the TowMax tires after I'd only put about 1500 miles on them. I know that anyone can have a blowout with damage with just about any tire, but I've heard enough of these Towmax stories and it happens often enough that I would recommend getting them replaced immediately with the favorite tire of your choice before something bad happens.

In fact, if I were buying a trailer today, I'd have that as a point of discussion when negotiating the price.
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:14 PM   #20
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I have to say, this is why I love this forum! Tire pressure hasn't been high on my checklist. (I am currently designing a thorough checklist with everything from bring from storage, at home, leaving home, setting up, breaking down, back home, back at storage - I know, I'm a bit anal about this - hopefully it will save me some grief down the road - sorry for the pun). So, tire pressure, now has moved up on my list on my "at home" checklist. I have learned a lot from this forum. Thanks!! (My signature will be updated next week with our new 327RES picture)
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