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05-28-2021, 04:03 AM
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with all the locks on the EMS and its concern
has any one not locked and it grew legs???
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05-28-2021, 04:39 AM
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In 3 years, mine has been fine.
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05-28-2021, 04:48 AM
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Hard wired don't grow legs.
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05-28-2021, 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by rhagfo
Hard wired don't grow legs.
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I agree... and you rarely forget it and drive off...
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05-28-2021, 05:14 AM
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Senior Member
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Location: Port Charlotte
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic
with all the locks on the EMS and its concern
has any one not locked and it grew legs???
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never heard 1st hand of you being stolen in 6 years.
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05-28-2021, 07:18 AM
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Location: W. Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mic
with all the locks on the EMS and its concern
has any one not locked and it grew legs???
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Been using this one 6 years without a lock and never had an issue or anyone remotely interested. Never talked to anyone that has had one walk off either.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
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05-28-2021, 07:35 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Picacho, Az
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Used mine hanging from a pedestal all across the country in 10+ years of fulltiming & it never grew legs. I believe most folks are so afraid of electricity & not sure what that thing is hanging there they aren't about to touch it, hope they stay scared.
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05-28-2021, 08:57 AM
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I can honestly say that in 50+ years of "site sitting in campgrounds" that I've never consciously walked around any campground specifically to look for EMS devices hanging on electrical connections.
What I'm saying is that I really don't think anyone "goes looking for an EMS in a busy campground". I've never talked to anyone who had an EMS stolen, although "I've read about it on the internet, so it must be true"...
Basically, I believe that campers are, for the most part, honest people who wouldn't consider stealing from their neighbor.... That said, since most shore power cables are now "detachable", locking the EMS to the shore power cord is, for the most part, an exercise in making sure both parts get stolen together, should it ever happen....
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05-28-2021, 09:10 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Romeo
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agree
anyone would have to make sure no one is home
as removing would drop power.
good point about the shore cord...that is also EXPENSIVE with the price of copper.
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05-28-2021, 04:46 PM
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Location: Council Bluffs
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It Happens
A friend had his EMS, shore power card and propane tanks stolen last winter when his RV was stored in a locked, gated, commercial storage facility.
I had a problem similar to the OP's while at our winter location earlier this year, the EMS shut down the power for about a minute then restarted twice. When I investigated, I found a partially melted connection between my shore cord and a 15 foot 50 amp extension cord. The connection hadn't been moved since it was made two months earlier. I don't know why it failed, both ends at the connection were factory molded. **it happens.
My thought process for selecting a hard wired EMS was that the most likely failure point on the power system is the cord and its connections either at the pedestal or at the twist lock connection on the RV. That failure in my case was detected by the EMS because the voltage dropped when that bad connection got hot creating excess resistance. A portable unit at the pedestal would not have detected that drop because it occurred down stream. The voltage was just fine at the pedestal.
The purpose of an EMS is to protect the RV from out of spec power that could damage electronic components and motors. Mine did its job.
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05-29-2021, 09:43 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Dec 2020
Location: Punta Gorda
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
OP while on the topic;
You will find receptacles in campgrounds in all sorts of repair/disrepair....some perfect and/or near new as well. IF a receptacle is wobbly loose I move to another site. If it's winter time and I'm not trying to run both ACs I'll use a 50A to 30A adapter IF the 30A plug is in better shape...but they are generally in worse shape. To that end I carry an 18" (I believe) dogbone type of cable that is simply a 50A Male and 50A female. I plug it into the ped before my EMS and use it as a "sacrificial" component for those "iffy" plugs we encounter all the time. When those start eating up the prongs on it I'll just replace it - much cheaper than another EMS.
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Now that’s a great idea. My 50’ 50amp cord isn’t cheap and I like the molded ends better than cutting it off to replace it with a replacement plug. I much rather replace the sacrificial adapter
Ordering one now!!!
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05-29-2021, 10:09 AM
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Location: W. Texas
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Originally Posted by alrothel
Now that’s a great idea. My 50’ 50amp cord isn’t cheap and I like the molded ends better than cutting it off to replace it with a replacement plug. I much rather replace the sacrificial adapter
Ordering one now!!!
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I'm with you. I don't like putting "replacement" ends on a 50A cable (or EMS), I far prefer the molded ends. If one of the moldings, or plug ends, deteriorates I replace the entire cable vs the end therefore the "sacrificial" dogbone which is much cheaper.
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05-29-2021, 02:32 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Portland, OR
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sourdough
I'm with you. I don't like putting "replacement" ends on a 50A cable (or EMS), I far prefer the molded ends. If one of the moldings, or plug ends, deteriorates I replace the entire cable vs the end therefore the "sacrificial" dogbone which is much cheaper.
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Interesting, I made my own 50 amp 40’ service cable using 6/4 SOOW cable, very flexible and easy to store for travel. I can inspect the connections inside the plug. I have seen way too many molded ends where the cable jacket pull out of the head.
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2016 Ram Laramie 3500 DRW 14,000# GVWR (New TV)
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS 32’ GVWR 12,360
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05-29-2021, 03:30 PM
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Location: W. Texas
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rhagfo
Interesting, I made my own 50 amp 40’ service cable using 6/4 SOOW cable, very flexible and easy to store for travel. I can inspect the connections inside the plug. I have seen way too many molded ends where the cable jacket pull out of the head.
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Yes, you can make your own cable and you can put your own ends on it (I have 3 sitting at the barn). And the molded ends DO break loose if you aren't careful in how you use the cable and twist it (I use a reel). But, those aftermarket ends can, and will, leak water into that plug in places the molded ones won't. If my sheathing breaks loose from the plug on a molded one I buy a new cable; easy peasy. JMO
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