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Old 11-19-2021, 02:01 PM   #21
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Self driving vehicles are ridiculous and can't possibly be "reliable" (as in human brain power). Unless we put them all on a rail and let them roll behind each other there is no way they can watch, digest and then use intelligence to ascertain what is happening in front of them - ever.....unless we think we are going to let AI make our decisions and direct us - as we abdicate our ability to think.....enter Zagar and Evans "Year 2525" song.

As far as auto braking, auto sensing, auto slowing you down etc. etc. - I have it on all my vehicles....and they are disabled simply because they have zero intelligence, only some sensor functionality that leaves a lot to be desired. "Safer roads" depends 100% on driver competence, knowledge and adherence to established laws and rules.....whoops, that eliminated about 80% of the drivers on the road.
I understand people not trusting the technology. Just all the prior advances in technology; it has to be proven reliable first and then it will be slowly accepted. Just like when they created autopilot for airplanes. I'm sure there were plenty of pilots that were against it. Now most commercial planes have it onboard and it is even available to put into older smaller planes. And yes, it will land the plane at airports with the correct system installed. Pretty much any major airport in the world including here in the US.

Is the system perfect? No; but there is more of a not yet then a never will be. They have to figure how to make it idiot proof as well. Other wise we would have more flying cars out there. But there are too many idiots out there that would be crashing them all over the place and killing too many people. IMO
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:31 PM   #22
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I wonder who get's sued when the accident happens...
The person, or entity with the depest pockets of course.
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Old 11-19-2021, 02:43 PM   #23
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You all will love this video then. It's been out for a long time, but when it first hit YouTube, it was tagged as a serious video. So, everyone who watched got the surprise at the end of the video! Still .... there's a lot to be said here. Enjoy and just sit back and enjoy!

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Old 11-19-2021, 03:28 PM   #24
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Goodun! Was worried about the speaker as he never put on a seat belt while riding in the driver seat or lounging in the back while going down the road.
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Old 11-19-2021, 07:17 PM   #25
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The self driving vehicles are no where near ready for the real world and in my opinion never will be.

I have driven commercial trucks with "driver assist" aids and they are constantly giving false readings, even locking the brakes down when it believed an "imminent collision" was about to happen. It picked up reflectors from a bridge underpass and triggered the brake system three times one night while I was running 70 mph. Had conditions been wet or icy I probably wouldn't be here today, that's how hard it engaged the brakes.

The model years were 2018, 2019 and 2020 Freightliners so they had updated technology. My 2021 Peterbilt has NO driver aids. All these systems do is make the operators dependent on the system, driving skills will be a thing of the past. Kinda like the way our government wants things nowadays it seems.....Hey, did I just discover a conspiracy?!
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Old 11-21-2021, 06:16 AM   #26
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Actually with the current driving abilities seen quite often out here in Idaho and over in Montana where we tow a lot maybe the "hands free driving would be an improvement over what's occurring on the roads lately

The collision avoidance and even the "getting on the on ramp" by some drivers that don't realize or care that Ive got 35 feet and 12Klbs behind me might actually be much better
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Old 11-25-2021, 08:21 AM   #27
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I see how people drive. This’ll probably be an improvement. Though it’s not towing a trailer and it’s a bright sunny day. (I often wondered at those Tesla self driving claims and what happens then the car is covered in a crust of snow and ice all over the sensors. )
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Old 11-25-2021, 09:57 AM   #28
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I would fully expect the system would not engage if there's a fault in any of the components.
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Old 11-25-2021, 01:05 PM   #29
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Why Demonstrate Breaking the Law

It is a ridiculous and dangerous ad. GMC must mean “Got Money to Cash-Out” after the deaths occur.
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Old 11-27-2021, 06:15 AM   #30
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they are also making self driving semi's
https://spectrum.ieee.org/this-year-...o-one-on-board
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Old 11-27-2021, 07:40 AM   #31
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These companies are driven by the big trucking companies desire to save the $150K-$190K a year they pay us drivers to do our jobs. And that's understandable, at least from the bean counter's perspective. What they're not addressing is all the things we drivers are capable of that a self driving vehicle is not.

Those trucks aren't going to pick up that vibration in the front tire that signifies a blowout about to occur.

Will it recognize the driver displaying tell tale signs of a drunk driver weaving in and out of their lane, slowing the truck to avoid a potential crash and even calling police to report the situation? And when the GPS "gets lost" as they are known to do when the manufacturer hasn't upgraded it's maps, what will it do? It happens, we have experienced it quite often. It tried to send us through a residential neighborhood with a Hazmat load and another time through an airport. Oh, and that time it wanted to turn the wrong way onto an interstate exit ramp! That would have been interesting!

And just who is going to fill the fuel tanks, the DEF tank, and the reefer tank on the trailer? When it gets to the destination, who is going to back it up to the dock? Who's going to do the drop and hooks?

So after they fire all of us drivers and we're all obsolete, do they think we will be willing to do all these menial task for a minimum wage?

I honestly don't fear this happening because I have experienced enough of the new technology to believe that people will die if this comes to fruition and once that happens it will force a shut down of the experiment.

And one other thing. FMCSA and DOT will have to sign off on it before it becomes a reality. And I just don't see that happening.
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Old 11-27-2021, 07:58 AM   #32
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OK, say you make $150-190K a year. They stop using people to drive the big rigs. Big Rig on auto pilot creams a bus full of kids from some elite school. That is where mom and dad can afford a tip top litigator. How much do you think they will have saved and can you imagine the company building the auto pilot for the semi involved not being held culpable? Hope the bean counters think about liability when the worst happens as it surely will. Kind of like the Pony Express would have saved a lot of money by not hiring riders and training the horses to carry mail sacks on their own (riderless).
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:24 AM   #33
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Not trying to start a fight, but driving the stretch of I-10 we frequently drive I'm not so sure driverless trucks could drive any worse, 3/4s of them on this stretch are absolutely horrible, scares the hell out of me to get near them.
But the drivers of the automobiles are just as bad, it's Nascar without yellow flags.
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Old 11-27-2021, 08:44 AM   #34
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The secret to driving on IH10 behind a big rig is to tail gate so they can't see you in their mirrors and then whip around them at 110 mph and smile as you go by. Riding a motorcycle (or my trike these days) on IH10 going west or east for that matter (towards H-town) is a nightmare.
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Old 11-27-2021, 09:13 AM   #35
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My thoughts on driverless trucks, it will happen it's a matter of when. So at $100k+ perdriver, remove 1,ooo drivers over the road and that becomes a large number. Automated drivers don’t draw benefits which typically cost the company about as much as the pay. Computers don’t take vacation, don’t take family leave, and work 24/7. The arguments against automation have been going on since trains and planes replaced the Pony express and welding robots replaced people on the assembly line.

If you don’t like chopping wood to cook and heat, don't like washing cloths on a rock in a creek, toting ice for an ice box, etc. then you've already embraced zutomation.
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Old 11-27-2021, 10:02 AM   #36
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Overall, bad accidents and public opinion hasn’t slowed Tesla in the least. Driverless is coming, as was said, like it or not.
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