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07-09-2020, 04:18 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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Seeking owners
Hi, I’m looking for owners who have the same travel trailer (2016 Keystone Springdale Artic Package 212) as ours. I have some questions about the rv.
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07-09-2020, 05:25 PM
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Site Team
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Location: Modesto
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You might as well just ask your question. Odds are we can answer it because pretty much all RVs use the same things.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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07-09-2020, 05:38 PM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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Ok sounds good. My older RV had the gray tank and black tank draining through one drain with 2 pull valves. My new rv has 2 drains. Back drain has 2 pull valves ( one on each side of the drain). Halfway at the middle of the rv there is another drain just like the back one with one pull valve.
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07-09-2020, 05:44 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
You might as well just ask your question. Odds are we can answer it because pretty much all RVs use the same things.
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Not all true Chuckster... some of the members here use a bidet or wet wipes.
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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07-09-2020, 05:49 PM
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Site Team
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whosgregm
Ok sounds good. My older RV had the gray tank and black tank draining through one drain with 2 pull valves. My new rv has 2 drains. Back drain has 2 pull valves ( one on each side of the drain). Halfway at the middle of the rv there is another drain just like the back one with one pull valve.
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It sounds like your going from 2 waste tanks to 3. The 3” drain will be the black tank and the two 1 1/2” valves will be gray tanks. Common to have 2 separate outlets when the floor plan has sinks/bathrooms spread far apart. 2 short hoses hooked to a Y will allow you to dump all 3 into the same hose.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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07-09-2020, 05:49 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Modesto
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wiredgeorge
Not all true Chuckster... some of the members here use a bidet or wet wipes.
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That’s not real RVing.
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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07-09-2020, 05:52 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Mico, TX
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Quote:
Originally Posted by whosgregm
Ok sounds good. My older RV had the gray tank and black tank draining through one drain with 2 pull valves. My new rv has 2 drains. Back drain has 2 pull valves ( one on each side of the drain). Halfway at the middle of the rv there is another drain just like the back one with one pull valve.
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Howdy Utah! Welcome... the two valves are for one each black and gray tanks that drain your bath/sink (gray) and black is for the potty. On my camper, the shower drains into the black tank (dumb) but basically the same. The other drain handle located behind your rear tire driver-side is for a galley tank (kitchen sink probably).
I have installed a Valterra Safety Dump Valve T58 onto the end of my sewer line where all the lines come out and you connect the sewer hose. I leave the galley tank valve open because I am too old and fat to crawl under my slide and back behind the rear tire to open the valve and use the safety valve to dump the galley tank. I keep the other two valves shut (towards the front) and open them when I want to dump the black tank as the extra water from the gray tanks helps keep things moving down the sewer line.
One of the first things you will want to pick up is an ELECTRICAL Management System (EMS)... mine is a Progressive and I hook it up to a campground 30A outlet and it makes sure that problems with the campground electricity do not fry my electrical stuff. An EMS is needed and a surge protector, while cheaper, doesn't do a whole lot except for massive spikes in campground power.
https://parts.unitedrv.com/products/...nt=Catch%20All
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wiredgeorge Mico TX
2006 F350 CC 4WD 6.0L
2002 Keystone Cougar 278
2006 GL1800 Roadsmith Trike
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07-10-2020, 07:45 AM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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Hi, thank you for your reply. I saw that the 2 pull valves next to the 3” drain in the rear are for the gray and black tanks. I’m still confused about the 3” drain that’s in front of the front tire and under the slide out. Is that another gray tank? I see the word “Valterra” in the cap. Am I understanding you correctly?
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07-10-2020, 07:47 AM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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Sure appreciate the tip on a EMS. I’ll go buy one for sure. It does make sense. Thank you so much.
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07-10-2020, 07:54 AM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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What’s the cost on a good EMS? I looked up and they aren’t cheap. I want to make sure.
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07-10-2020, 08:07 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Joppa, MD
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30 amp EMS start around $300. In my opinion, for 1/3 that cost you can get a surge protector and you may as well take that hundred bucks and donate it to charity, at least you'll have more peace of mind. A surge protector is useless in the camping environment as they do not address the most common harmful conditions of low voltage, improperly wired pedestal outlets, voltage drop outs (like the lights at home flickering during a storm), etc.
One bad electrical event can wipe out the air conditioners, fridge, tv, antenna booster, etc. and end up costing thousands of dollars along with the lost time/use of the camper.
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Marshall
2012 Laredo 303 TG
2010 F250 LT Super Cab, long bed, 4X4, 6.4 Turbo Diesel
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07-10-2020, 08:09 AM
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Junior Member
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Location: Stockton
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There are 2 - 3” drains. One is at the middle in front of the front rv tire and under the slide out. The other one is in the rear which is common for the gray and black tanks. I’m trying to find out what the drain at the middle does. Hope this helps.
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07-10-2020, 08:21 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: W. Texas
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Is this your RV?
https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2016-...12rbwe-tr24914
If so I would think the rear black/grey valves are for the bathroom and the one under the slide is for the galley.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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07-10-2020, 08:32 AM
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Junior Member
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Same rv with only one door in the rear but same exact floor plan. Ok, that’s what I was wondering. Thank you
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07-10-2020, 08:35 AM
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Junior Member
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Another question. As I was reading the specs on the rv you showed me. It shows only 1 gray tank.
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07-10-2020, 08:45 AM
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Site Team
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Many, many times those specs show that. If I recall that one shows yours with one tank and 64 gallons. That won't be the case. It is a mistake. You will have 2 tanks of approx. 32 gals.
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Danny and Susan, wife of 56 years
2019 Ram 3500 Laramie CC SWB SB 6.4 4x4 4.10
2020 Montana High Country 331RL
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07-10-2020, 10:07 AM
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Junior Member
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Thank you for the information. Appreciate it. Have a good one.
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