But they said no problem!

[flybouy]

It is always, always, (did I say allways?) the vehichle operator's responsibility. Look at the sales brochures, look at the mnf website, look at the contact or purchase agreement you signed, they will have that statement/disclaimer somewhere. The "but so and so said it was ok" defense doesn't work in the principles office when Jhonny says "But Billy said it was OK if I threw a rock at the teacher" And it doesn't work when you grow up either.

When you become of adult age in a state you become (supposedly) responsible for your actions.
Remember whay your mother used to say about Billy? " If Billy told you to jump off a cliff would you?" I just don't understand people blindly "jumping off the cliff" because Billy with the pretty grin that said I look soooo young for my age and bought me a can of soda pop said it was ok.

[sourdough]

I concur. What "someone" tells you (ie; payload doesn't include anything but pin weight, Billy said..xxx etc.) means nothing legally in a court. There are so many documents and disclaimers refuting those things (cya's) that relieve the manufacturers it is only due to an individual's lack of due diligence to claim they didn't know. Unfortunately, when the stuff hits the fan more folks than just the unaware individual will probably get hurt.

Now what "Billy said", if Billy is employed by someone selling you something and he makes some outrageous claims to entice you to buy a "special widget" might, MIGHT come back to bite him (and his company) in a civil suit should something happen due to him misleading a purchaser.

The problem is that folks like the salesman in post 16 are everywhere spouting all kinds of erroneous information to folks new to towing. There is no incentive to be honest or know the facts; the only incentive is to sell...and I've met many. Until that changes folks buying an RV for the first time will continue to have a hard time finding the truth about weights prior to purchase.

[jim1]

The article in post #3 should be attached to every RV brochure and owners manual. Also as mandatory reading for truck and RV salesman to read and understand!

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by sourdough

I concur. What "someone" tells you (ie; payload doesn't include anything but pin weight, Billy said..xxx etc.) means nothing legally in a court. There are so many documents and disclaimers refuting those things (cya's) that relieve the manufacturers it is only due to an individual's lack of due diligence to claim they didn't know. Unfortunately, when the stuff hits the fan more folks than just the unaware individual will probably get hurt.

Now what "Billy said", if Billy is employed by someone selling you something and he makes some outrageous claims to entice you to buy a "special widget" might, MIGHT come back to bite him (and his company) in a civil suit should something happen due to him misleading a purchaser.

The problem is that folks like the salesman in post 16 are everywhere spouting all kinds of erroneous information to folks new to towing. There is no incentive to be honest or know the facts; the only incentive is to sell...and I've met many. Until that changes folks buying an RV for the first time will continue to have a hard time finding the truth about weights prior to purchase.

Yup, what I forgot to add is this, if super salesman "Billy" tells you your payload I'd only related to pin weight or other blasphemy ask "Billy" to put that in writing. If he's just incredibly stupid he may but I'm guessing by asking that you'll have called BS on him and he'll back pedal faster than a tape of Lance Armstrong being in 8x fast rewind.