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Old 07-19-2020, 07:03 PM   #1
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I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP
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Old 07-19-2020, 07:17 PM   #2
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A 3/4 ton of any kind, and particularly a diesel, is incapable of safely towing either of those trailers. What is the payload/gvw/gawr/gvw for that vehicle? Having owned one I can tell you it's not enough to safely "carry", not "pull", those trailers.

When everything you read says you shouldn't do it.... Look at the numbers realistically, don't try to find reasons you have a "special" situation. They are what they are and you need to adjust down on trailer expectations or up in truck size... Here's a Cedar Creek 33lk; beyond a 3/4;

https://forestriverinc.com/rvs/fifth...tion/33IK/1118

Please note that the brochure pin weight is meaningless. Take 20% of the gvw of the trailer and subtract it from the payload of that 3/4 truck...what's that leave?
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:29 PM   #3
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I was just looking at a 2020 Big Horn 2500 with the 6.7l diesel. It had a payload of around 2200# which was only about 300# more than the F-150 I had. I ended up going with a F-350 powerstoke and it's got 3500# of payload. A lot more truck and not much more money.
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Old 07-19-2020, 08:40 PM   #4
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If you are looking at new just get the 3500 version. My 4x4 has 3900 payload. If you do 2wd you can break the 4K actual payload by sticker mark. After owning a 2500 diesel I don’t know why they make them.
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Skip the 2500 & go 3500, very little difference in $$, ride, mileage, appearance, but much different payload.
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Old 07-20-2020, 04:50 AM   #6
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Skip the 2500 & go 3500, very little difference in $$, ride, mileage, appearance, but much different payload.
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You reallwant a 3500 for a 5er that size the pin weights you are looking at are DRY, they only get heaver. In addition payload is everything that goes in the truck not just the pin weight, passengers, hitch, stuff, driver over 150#, etc.
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Old 07-20-2020, 05:05 AM   #7
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That is similar to my truck and I wouldn't attempt it.
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Old 07-20-2020, 06:50 AM   #8
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if you want a 3/4 look at the chevy/gmc.



lots of people use a 3/4 ton though not weighted for your weight. exception is the new 3/4 chevy/gmc https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/25...price/features
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if you want a 3/4 look at the chevy/gmc.



lots of people use a 3/4 ton though not weighted for your weight. exception is the new 3/4 chevy/gmc https://www.gmc.com/trucks/sierra/25...price/features
I'd still get the SRW 1 ton, just 'cause!
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Old 07-20-2020, 08:39 AM   #10
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GM is changing the GVW ratings on their HD truck line. They still "have a 2500 and 3500 SRW by name" but the 2500 CC standard bed is available in a number of GVW selections, starting at 9900 and going all the way up to 11,350 (if I remember what I read just a moment ago).

It seems to me that the rumors I've been hearing about GM eliminating the 2500 are much closer to reality than in the past. The rumors I'm hearing are that GM is going to start producing a truck line with the 1/4 ton (Colorado class), the 1/2 ton (LT class) and the 3/4-1 ton (HD class) The HD, like the LT trucks will have multiple "optional GVW packages". In the LT trucks they'll range from around 6000-8100 pounds and in the HD trucks GVW packages will range from 9900-12,100 pounds....

If the rumors are true, then GONE will be the discussions about 250/350 and 2500/3500 SRW trucks "really being the same with a different sticker" and it will become "which GVW package contains what equipment"....
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Makes sense as the drive trains and chassis are basically the same, Gasser or diesel.
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GM is changing the GVW ratings on their HD truck line. They still "have a 2500 and 3500 SRW by name" but the 2500 CC standard bed is available in a number of GVW selections, starting at 9900 and going all the way up to 11,350 (if I remember what I read just a moment ago).

It seems to me that the rumors I've been hearing about GM eliminating the 2500 are much closer to reality than in the past. The rumors I'm hearing are that GM is going to start producing a truck line with the 1/4 ton (Colorado class), the 1/2 ton (LT class) and the 3/4-1 ton (HD class) The HD, like the LT trucks will have multiple "optional GVW packages". In the LT trucks they'll range from around 6000-8100 pounds and in the HD trucks GVW packages will range from 9900-12,100 pounds....

If the rumors are true, then GONE will be the discussions about 250/350 and 2500/3500 SRW trucks "really being the same with a different sticker" and it will become "which GVW package contains what equipment"....
That makes sense, since they do use the same engine/transmission combinations. It also makes one wonder what the physical differences will be between two HD trucks with different GVW packages... or if it stickering to ensure the customers need to adhere to lower loads as a consequence of not having to pay more for the higher GVWR trucks. We know that is costs more to register a 14k GWV dually than a 10k GVW 3/4 tons, so I wonder if that is how the manufacturers make it differentiable to the customers. You can't legally tow/haul as much, but it doesn't cost as much to register kind of thing.
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Old 07-20-2020, 07:42 PM   #13
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Additionally, in addition to increased registration/licensing costs, some home owner's associations restrict parking to "no commercial or 1 ton vehicles". Some locations classify all 1 ton trucks as "commercial", so, many people living in those sub divisions have always bought 3/4 ton trucks to circumvent the parking restrictions. With new marketing, there would be no "tonnage differences" on the fender badge... So, that "nosey neighbor looking to piss people off" would have to wait until you left your truck unlocked to get a photo of the GVW before he/she could report you to the "HOA gestapo"
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Additionally, in addition to increased registration/licensing costs, some home owner's associations restrict parking to "no commercial or 1 ton vehicles". Some locations classify all 1 ton trucks as "commercial", so, many people living in those sub divisions have always bought 3/4 ton trucks to circumvent the parking restrictions. With new marketing, there would be no "tonnage differences" on the fender badge... So, that "nosey neighbor looking to piss people off" would have to wait until you left your truck unlocked to get a photo of the GVW before he/she could report you to the "HOA gestapo"

That would not be a good thing.... Criminal Minds come to "mind"....
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That would not be a good thing.... Criminal Minds come to "mind"....
I know of two instances around here, where an owner changed the 3500 finder badges for 2500 fender badges so he could "circumvent the HOA restrictions" in a HOA subdivision near Gaylord.

I agree, if I happen to see a neighbor (or anyone else) in my driveway with my truck door open, all HELL will break loose !!!!! There may not be a need to "search my freezer for human DNA, but there will be a "clear and distinct message" immediately provided to that person......
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Well as discussed before, that 5er will likely be more than the Ram 2500 can carry within it's listed payload. The best option is to go to a 3500 Long bed and get a 12,300# GVWR with about 4,000# of payload. With a dry pin of 2,067# that is about 19%, most real life pins run about 22%, so assume you load 1,500# of stuff in your 5er now at 12,380# at 22% is 2,724#, and that is JUST the pin of the 5er, you also have hitch, passengers, you above 150#, and any "STUFF" you carry in the truck. I would assume that the 2,724# pin would be about the 2500's total payload.

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Hitch Weight: 2,067 lb. (DRY)
GVWR: 14,067 lb.
UVW: 10,880 lb.
CCC: 3,187 lb.
Exterior Length: 35' 5"
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Old 07-26-2020, 11:53 AM   #17
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Go with the 3500 if you don't you will be kicking yourself every times you think about it, ask me how I know. I bought three 2500 the first one was a hemi 6.4L with a 4.10 gears now that was okay but I wanted a diesel.

So I I bought a 2500 diesel but I try to make it work but every times I would tow my fiver I would think that I am overloaded so I put it back of my mind.

That didn't work either it was eating at me day and night I really need a 3500 to tow my fiver safely. So to easy my mind and be safe I finally got my 3500 with 3799 lbs of payload now I can sleep good at night knowing I good to to.

Edit: My first 2500 was a 5.7L with a 3.73 gear, the second one was the 6.4L hemi with a 4.10 gears so yeah I went through three 2500 thinking it will work but it want.
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I have an F250 XLT 4x4 with the 6.7l diesel. Great truck, tons of power. I pull a 35 foot Premier with a GVW of 8,000 lbs. My truck's door sticker gives me a load capacity of 2,228 Lbs. I've calculated that with my wife and I and a loaded trailer and truck, I have about a 400 lb safety margin. Take 2 friends and that margin goes away. I'm currently looking at a F350 XLT 4x4 with the 6.7l diesel that has a door sticker that states 5,436 lbs of capacity. Big difference and great peace of mind!
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I'm really interested in the 2020 Ram 2500 6.7l Big Horn but I'm a bit worried about the max pay load. I've looked online at 4x2 and 4x4 8' beds and short beds but everything I read tells me the pay load just isn't enough to haul what I want to haul. I need to hear from people that have one and know what they are talking about, not a salesman!! I'm looking at a Forestriver Cedarcreek Silverback 31lk or the 33lk. Hitch weiight varies between the 31=2067 and the 33=2435. I know the 2500 4x2 will pull it, it's just the payload that has me worried a bit. HELP
Where did you get the payload numbers? Here is a screenshot of my truck and yours should be higher than mine. Well I couldn't get it to load and mine says my payload is 3730. I have a 2020 6.4 hemi with 8 speed tranny.
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Where did you get the payload numbers? Here is a screenshot of my truck and yours should be higher than mine. Well I couldn't get it to load and mine says my payload is 3730. I have a 2020 6.4 hemi with 8 speed tranny.
The diesel engine is much heavier than your gasser, reducing the payload.
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