2016 deal or wait for 2017 ford superduty?

[Bhickey2304]

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

[CaptnJohn]

Originally Posted by Bhickey2304

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

2017s are not out yet. There are nice rebates available now but they could get better or worse on July 6. I picked up my 2016 F350 with the 6.7 just 3 days ago.

I posted my deal here on a lariat with the ultimate package. I'll wait 3 years on the new aluminum body. Had it on my 2015 F150 without a problem but only because I needed a light truck for a short time.

The only difference noticed between the 6.7 with 3.31 and 3.55 is a slight decrease on MPG. No matter which ~ I'd spring for the 6.7. No matter if you sell or trade in 1 year or 15 years a 6.7 will be much more desirable and retain much more of it's value. BUT it is a big bite...

[BlueThunder34]

I'll put my 2cents in FWIW as I purchased a 2016 F350 at the beginning of this year and have some decent trips under its belt. 1st - go with the 1 ton, more payload (about 1,000lbs more) over the 250 and really not much more expensive than the 250, about $800 depending on your dealer. As for the 6.2L gasser vs 6.7L diesel, well it's your money and it does bump the cost up quite a bit but if you are planning to upgrade to a 5er in the future I would strongly recommend the diesel. There really is no comparison when towing, the gasser will get it done but nowhere near as effortlessly as the diesel not to mention the exhaust brake that comes with it as well. We recently just got back from a 500 mile trip through some steep mountain passes with friends who had a 2015 350 gasser and he was quite annoyed by the time we got to our sites listening to the engine screaming over the mountains while mine went over effortlessly. Upgrading now with a 2016 and taking advantage of some of those heafty rebates can really help offset the cost of the diesel upgrade vs waiting for a 2017 which will likely not have much if anything in the way of discounts.
Yes, there is a difference between 3.73's and 4.10's get the 4.10's with the 6.2L you will want more gearing for towing. I test drove both a 250 and 350 and to me the ride was identical.

[larry337]

Definitely F350 in my opinion. Very little difference in ride or price. Way more payload. But you should drive them for yourself. As for the 4.10, without looking it up and I may be wrong, I think the max tow rating is considerably higher. As for fuel economy I think you'll find the gasser is not very good anyway so I'd want the 4.10. As for the 6.7, that goes without saying.
As for 16 vs 17, I think that's a personal choice.

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[JRTJH]

The 2017 SuperDuty will have some "new innovations" that simply aren't available on the 2016 and older models. Things like the ability to integrate a trailer "rear camera" into the center stack display are new in the 2017 models.

As for the F250 or F350 ride, they are so close to the same "comfort level" that you'd be hard pressed to differentiate between them, so I'd suggest the F350 if your garage is tall enough to get under the door.

Now, the "biggie" is the decision between a gas or diesel. Essentially, on a 2016, the Ford rebates/sales advantages are around $10K. There will probably not be any rebates on the 2017 models during the first year, so one way to look at it is that you can get a diesel equipped 2016 for less than the cost of a gas 2017 (assuming the rebate situation is not available on the 2017). That would mean that at "trade in time" you'd probably get more "return for the investment" on the diesel equipped truck than on the gas truck. So, a "hard choice" to wait and pay more or buy now and get more truck for less money.

Decisions, decisions, decisions !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[rbev2308]

I agree with what John says. There are some new gadgets on the 17's but I already integrated what I wanted on my 2014 like my rear camera. A friend of mine is a sales manager for Super Duty and no way will they even offer any real incentives on 17's cause they are pushing this new aluminum features and sales are up big time. You will always get a better deal on leftover stuff that has already been built and in many cases, forwarded to dealers. The MFR uses its profits as rebates to help dealers push this stuff. Anytime you get a major change like in the 2017's, you will get better deals on those 2016's...I would gladly save 10K or more on MSRP (Basically invoice plus rebates for Diesels). Me personally, I would take a diesel and unless you are pulling some insane amounts, I would stay away from the heavier gear unless you get the gasser...I have friends with the larger rear end on diesels getting 10 mpg but they tow a ton...I don't plus when I do, I am around 14,800 which is fine. Now my final push is for a DRW...I don't know I just fell in love with my dually and I can tell difference between pulling with the SRW versus the DRW. The handling is just so much better plus I like 3 good tires versus 1 in a blowout...In the end, its all personal preference I guess. Nothing like tow haul mode in cruise control and letting that diesel do its job...

[CaptnJohn]

Finding a 3.31 on an F250 6.7 is easy. It is also the standard on the F350but finding one ~~ I could not. All had the 3.55 at a $390 option cost. I towed often slightly over payload and once in an emergency greatly over with out a problem with a 3.31 F250. The slight fuel savings is a benefit with no negative.

[Bhickey2304]

Well I really would like a diesel but with all the emissions, fuel system issues and initial cost I just don't toe enough to justify that (believe me I would if I could at all). But those are just problems I heard in the forums which I know is a really bad source sometimes. Lol. So if I go with a diesel what are the real chances of having any issues? Thanks for the responses.

[1jeep]

My previous 2011 f250 had the 6.7 and had zero issues, it also had the 3:55 gears and I would average 17mpg empty on the highway. 11mpg towing, my buddy has a 6.2 with the 4:30 gears and he is getting 8mpg towing, he is happy with his 6.2 and most of his driving is local so a diesel wouldn't have worked for him.

I purchased a 2016 f 350 drw a few months ago, they took $12k off the sticker. I could have waited for a 2017 BUT even though it is the same drivetrain I would like to see a few years on them before jumping on board the aluminum train! As for gadgets, my previous truck was a base lariat, new one is a platinum so for me it was already a gadget bonanza and I don't feel I should have waited for more cameras.

[larry337]

I've owned both. My 6.4 was a reliable motor with plenty of power. But the emissions is horrible. They regens frequently, like all the time. The fuel mileage is horrible. The early 08's had radiator issues. The only way I'd consider that one is I'd you delete the DPF and run a mild tune. If you do that it would be a serious option, fuel economy and power would be similar to a 6.7. They are both smooth and sweet running engines. But the 6.7 has a smoother 6 speed auto and better electronics in the gauges. No payments is definitely a plus.

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[1jeep]

Having owned both I agree with Larry...I would still have my 08 F350 but we needed a crew cab and it wasn't.

[jsmith948]

I fail to see what difference how much you tow makes regarding which engine you choose.
Just run the numbers. Empty or loaded, the diesel will get way better fuel mileage and that savings on fuel adds up. We get, depending on wind and terrain and how fast we drive, 12.5 to 14 mpg towing and 17.3 empty city - 20 to 22 mpg empty on cruise at 60mph. The 331 are the way to go with the diesel. JMHO

[Bhickey2304]

The biggest difference is I just can't justify the cost of the diesel for the 8-10 times I tow a camper each year. I would if if I could.

[Outback 325BH]

Originally Posted by Bhickey2304

The biggest difference is I just can't justify the cost of the diesel for the 8-10 times I tow a camper each year. I would if if I could.

Same with me. A diesel is awesome for sure, but my truck is sans trailer 75% of the time.


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[Cindy_N_Gary]

I had the same thoughts about waiting for the 2017's. But the incentives on the 2016's were just too good to pass up. I was looking at F350 XLTs but with the incentives was able to get a Lariat at almost the same price as the XLT. I attached a pic of it. This one should carry us into retirement and the 5er upgrade we'd like to make in a couple of years.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Bhickey2304

I am about ready to trade my '09 f150 for an f250/350 srw. My question is should I pick up a deal on a left over 2016 or wait?
Also I'm going to get a 6.2l ccsb 4x4. Is there really that big of a difference between the 3.73 gears and 4.10s?
Lastly this will be a daily driver but I tow a 30ft tt and I want a truck that will last through my upgrade to a smallish 5th wheel. Is there that big of a ride difference between the 250 & 350?
I'm thinking I should get the 350.

Personally I would go for the 2016. I've bought many first year models and chances are 50/50 that you will get to find one of the glitches they overlooked during the design. Let them wait at least a couple of years to work out the bugs. There may be a few new bells and whistles but a '16 with bells and whistles is still a new truck with new bells and whistles

If you get the 6.2 get the 4.10. Lots of difference in towing between the two and the 4.10 should give you a higher tow rating. Gas usage won't be much different between them.

If you are "thinking" about a "smallish" 5th wheel just figure that you are going to wind up with a fair sized 5th wheel. That said, go with a 350 vs a 250 not much difference in price or ride but much better payload. As was mentioned in a previous post, if you garage your truck make sure it will fit.

You didn't bring up a diesel but it was mentioned in other posts. The initial 8-9k outlay is hard to justify if you don't tow all the time or tow heavy trailers. They tow large loads easier but get minimally better mileage towing or not vs a modern gas engine. My calculations tell me I would have to keep the truck (diesel) for at least 200k miles to "pay" for the diesel option. You will get about a $4k premium over a gas model on resale. All that said, I think anyone that wants to tow a trailer over 10k lbs needs a diesel. 10k and above just stresses a gas engine too much.

Bottom line I think is to visualize the largest, nicest trailer you think you may ever want (and yes, your wants will grow) and buy a truck that can safely and easily tow it. In this case I would go with a 350 as I mentioned, and, with a diesel because you want to move to a 5th wheel and I don't know of many, if any, of any size that have a GVW under 10k lbs.

Good luck with your decision and purchase.

[1jeep]

My buddy just bought a f350 6.2 with the lower gearing, tows a Montana and he is happy with it. most of his driving is short trips around town so he didn't want a diesel.

[JRTJH]

I have a small fifth wheel (Cougar XLite 27RKS) and towed it with a 2013 F250 6.2L (gas) truck with 3.73 gearing. Fuel mileage was about 14 solo and 8-9 towing. I've owned diesel trucks in the past and truthfully wasn't really impressed with the SuperDuty gas towing capability. I traded for a 2015 F250 6.7L (diesel) and I can tell you that the difference is towing is night and day. Mileage is 19-20 solo and 12-13 towing. Granted, there is a $8000 pricetag, but based on every 8 to 10 year old diesel with 100,000 to 150,000 miles, the resale (tradein) value is 6000 to 8000 above the trade in value of a comparable gas truck, so "in reality" it's not a "price increase" rather it's a "deposit" that you get back when you trade your truck.

I see a lot of gas superduty trucks towing "relatively small" fifth wheels, I did it too, and the difference in "noise/engine RPM/acceleration and performance between the two (gas/diesel) simply can't be compared. Of course, everyone has to weigh their options and their needs, but when it comes down to the decision of buying a 2016 (at a current 10,000 discount) and considering buying a 2017 (at full sticker price with no rebates) buying a truck that will "cost $8,000 more now and give you $8,000 more on trade" at the discount available, makes a 2016 diesel very difficult to turn down.

[Trent McCain]

We just purchased an new '16 F350 dually. Really didn't plan on going new, wanted a '11-'13 as we were "self financing" it and didn't want to take too long to replenish the account. Had a hard time finding anything decent. Had a '14 found that was a little more than we wanted to spend, but we were getting a newer truck with less miles and the balance of factory warranty. Our dealer tried unsuccessfully to obtain it from a Ford dealer in Denver. (dealer said we could have it, then sold it our from under my Ford dealer) We then decided to look for new. With the current rebates, we were in to a new one for $5,600 over the used '14. The '14 also did not have the factory hitch prep that I wanted, my dealer quoted $1,300 for that, so the cost to "upgrade" to new was around $4,300. I like the '17's, but not enough to justify the price at this time. The new dually will be a huge improvement over the '09 F350 SRW we traded, and should last us a long time as being 40 and still having full time jobs, my wife and I are weekend campers at best. Maybe with any luck this '16 will be like the '92-97 OBS Fords when it's time to sell, everyone will want it because it's the last year of the body style. Either way, we plan on enjoying it a long time.

[1jeep]

Congrats!

I went through the same wanted to find one a year or 2 old and the pricing was crazy on used, so for a few more $$$ I bought a brand new dually.