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Old 07-15-2021, 05:49 PM   #21
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So can I ask...what does YOUR yellow sticker look like? I feel like I need to be exposed to some others so I know what to look for!

Whoever sent you those sticker pics missed the yellow one. My gray ones are on the outside of the door edge. My yellow one is on the inside edge, on the body, inside the door enclosure....yours will be there somewhere as well.


Edit: I hope the attachment is somewhat legible. Just had eye surgery so now both eyes don't function at close range and can't get anything to rectify for a few weeks and have no idea if it can be read - but THAT kind of sticker with that information is on the truck you are looking at.
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Old 07-15-2021, 06:11 PM   #22
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Your post #9, you posted a picture of it.
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Old 07-15-2021, 09:20 PM   #23
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Old 07-16-2021, 11:55 AM   #24
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Calling all Payload Gurus!

So after digesting all the great advice and comments you have all shared, we decided to get some real numbers.

I actually found a HUGE public scale here in our city that let me come and weigh my truck and 5th wheel for free! So we loaded everything to the max and set out. We drove there, weighed the truck and 5th wheel together, then disconnected and weighed the truck at capacity by itself..full tank of gas, camping gear, wood, all 6 of us ect.


So here are our numbers and my math. I would LOVE it if you gurus out there could double check I am calculating correctly.

Total weight of loaded truck and 5th wheel = 19,710lbs.

The truck, fully loaded without the 5th wheel attached was 8810lbs.

So as far as 5th wheel GVWR we are only at 10,900/11,500max. So for safety, I am going to assume that we max out at 11,500. Making hitch weight at 23% 2645lbs. (I'll round up to 2700lbs.)

Truck payload

Based on the numbers from the stickers..I figure my truck curb weight is this:
GVWR.................9900
minus
Payload max........2682
Curb weight......=7218lbs

So now I deduct the truck's GVWR from todays weight plus the hitch weight and that will give me the current payload..
8810 (today) + 23% pin (2700) = 11510lbs minus 9900lbs (Truck GVCW)

= 1610lbs OVER max payload

Am I correct so far?

Which means to be able to Comfortably carry passengers, cargo and hitch, I need a truck with a payload minimum of 1610lbs (over payload) plus 2682lbs. (current payload) = Total Payload needed 4292lbs AT A MINIMUM

To be safe, add a couple hundred more to account for kids getting heavier.
So I should look for the yellow sticker to read around 4600lbs?

LOTS OF MATH!

I'm probably all wrong...LOL

Thanks in advance!
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Old 07-16-2021, 01:42 PM   #25
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So after digesting all the great advice and comments you have all shared, we decided to get some real numbers.

I actually found a HUGE public scale here in our city that let me come and weigh my truck and 5th wheel for free! So we loaded everything to the max and set out. We drove there, weighed the truck and 5th wheel together, then disconnected and weighed the truck at capacity by itself..full tank of gas, camping gear, wood, all 6 of us ect.


So here are our numbers and my math. I would LOVE it if you gurus out there could double check I am calculating correctly.

Total weight of loaded truck and 5th wheel = 19,710lbs.

The truck, fully loaded without the 5th wheel attached was 8810lbs.

So as far as 5th wheel GVWR we are only at 10,900/11,500max. So for safety, I am going to assume that we max out at 11,500. Making hitch weight at 23% 2645lbs. (I'll round up to 2700lbs.)

Truck payload

Based on the numbers from the stickers..I figure my truck curb weight is this:
GVCW.................9900
minus
Payload max........2682
Curb weight......=7218lbs

So now I deduct the truck's GVCW from todays weight plus the hitch weight and that will give me the current payload..
8810 (today) + 23% pin (2700) = 11510lbs minus 9900lbs (Truck GVCW)

= 1610lbs OVER max payload

Am I correct so far?

Which means to be able to Comfortably carry passengers, cargo and hitch, I need a truck with a payload minimum of 1610lbs (over payload) plus 2682lbs. (current payload) = Total Payload needed 4292lbs AT A MINIMUM

To be safe, add a couple hundred more to account for kids getting heavier.
So I should look for the yellow sticker to read around 4600lbs?

LOTS OF MATH!

I'm probably all wrong...LOL

Thanks in advance!
Catching up to this on my phone so may not be reading something correctly, but assuming you mean your truck’s GVWR (not GVCW)is 9,900 and it’s weight fully loaded for camping is 8,810, that only leaves you 1,090 lbs for pin / tongue weight….maybe enough for a 30’ travel trailer, certainly no 5th wheel.

Others with a larger screen to view this data with will surely chime in and set me straight, but that’s what I think I’m seeing.
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Old 07-16-2021, 01:50 PM   #26
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Yes sorry..GVWR.

Exactly, we are trying to determine how much over payload we have been for the last 3 years and now that we know, we are trying to ensure that we buy the correct vehicle to replace our current one.

I just want to be sure I am calculating correctly.
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Old 07-16-2021, 02:25 PM   #27
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Yes you are severly overweight, not due to the fiver but the combination of the load in the truck before jitch up as well as the trailer. Bi think you'll be in F350 dually or F450 territory. It will all come down to the trim level/options and the resulting "remaining payload" on the INDIVIDUAL TRUCK. You want excess payload not "just enough".
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:30 PM   #28
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Yep, time to do some serious truck upgrade. Just cut to the important numbers; gvw of truck 9900; scale weight of truck 8810 = 1090 for additional load on the truck as was pointed out. My last bumper pull had a tongue weight more than that and a 5th, as you have found, REALLY puts a hit on you.

The payload number on the sticker loses relevance when you have the scaled weight of the truck. The difference between the scaled weight and your vehicle gvw is then your available payload vs what's on the sticker. All the people, toys, bikes, firewood, ice chests etc. come off what was the available payload and leave you with a new number for the pin weight - 1090.

With everything you are loading in a truck you need to be looking at something with a payload sticker well north of 4k, maybe 4500lbs. That will be putting you into dually territory and with that much weight a diesel should probably be in your future as the kids, and toys, will continue to grow.
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:36 PM   #29
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Yes you are severly overweight, not due to the fiver but the combination of the load in the truck before jitch up as well as the trailer. Bi think you'll be in F350 dually or F450 territory. It will all come down to the trim level/options and the resulting "remaining payload" on the INDIVIDUAL TRUCK. You want excess payload not "just enough".
As a side note - I just did considerable research on the 350 (DRW) / 450 (only available as a DRW). If you are looking for the highest payload that you can get - the 350 is the winner. Both trucks with have a GVWR of 14000 lbs. The 450 is heavier (bigger brakes, front frame section, tires) so it eats in to that number more.
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:42 PM   #30
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A lot of us were in your shoes at one time or another so don’t feel bad …I upgraded trucks 5 months after buying my fifth wheel…I was 1000 over and trying to weigh every teaspoon and extra pillow because I was “packing light”
As your shopping for trucks don’t hesitate to post a question in real time at the dealer because someone is usually always watching the forum and can give some feedback within a short time usually

Good luck and and enjoy the process of finding the perfect truck to carry you and your family to greater adventures
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Old 07-16-2021, 03:59 PM   #31
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RaeShel, your figure of 4292 is correct. We don't want to quibble with just a couple pounds. Let's use the nice round figure of 4300 pounds of cargo capacity. Your present truck is woefully short of this figure. If you were to shop very hard you will find a few of the big three in gas only that will fit your bill in the 350/3500, but very, very few members here will make that recommendation in your case.
I didn't steer you wrong in sending you here, and I'm not steering you wrong when I recommend you and your husband take a little time and let the idea of a diesel dually 350/3500 settle in. You have growing children with growing needs. Your next RV will only be bigger.
I'll probably suffer for saying this down the road, but the men and women on this site are by in large a very sharp group. You have been given great advice and we've seen you act on it. Hang around here and keep us up on your decisions.
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Yes sorry..GVWR.

Exactly, we are trying to determine how much over payload we have been for the last 3 years and now that we know, we are trying to ensure that we buy the correct vehicle to replace our current one.

I just want to be sure I am calculating correctly.
Well you are about where we were about 2.5 years ago. We don’t have the kids, slightly heavier 5er, in bed tool box with heavy stuff, we were 1,700# over our 8,800# GVWR on a 2001 Ram 2500. I did the math on a newer Ram 3500 SRW and figured we would be very close to the 12,300# GVWR.
We figured we might want something larger in the future as we full time, that meant getting a 3500 DRW. The Ram 3500 DRW has a payload of 5,411#, as we full time it is our only vehicle, no issues driving daily.
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Yeah...we are are teetering back and forth between the Ford F350 4x4 SRW and the DRW

According to Ford the 2019 model crew cab 4x4 6.2L FFV V8 has a payload of 4480 and GVWR of 15,700 with a 5th wheel

The dually has a slightly lower GVWR of 15,600 but a significantly higher payload of 6550.

Of course I wouldn't buy anything till I verify numbers...but we are leaning towards dually if we can afford it.
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Do the Dually, if you can afford it. We have been driving one for over 25 years, first time you loose a truck tire you will really appreciate it! Worth any inconvenience. Good luck! Happy truck shopping.
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Old 07-16-2021, 07:16 PM   #35
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Do the Dually, if you can afford it. We have been driving one for over 25 years, first time you loose a truck tire you will really appreciate it! Worth any inconvenience. Good luck! Happy truck shopping.
Got that right. 2009 I40 In Missouri, rear DS inside tire with 36’ fiver hooked on. Just eased over, changed the tire and carried on.
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Yeah...we are are teetering back and forth between the Ford F350 4x4 SRW and the DRW

According to Ford the 2019 model crew cab 4x4 6.2L FFV V8 has a payload of 4480 and GVWR of 15,700 with a 5th wheel

The dually has a slightly lower GVWR of 15,600 but a significantly higher payload of 6550.

Of course I wouldn't buy anything till I verify numbers...but we are leaning towards dually if we can afford it.
I think you are looking at Towing capacity, GVWR on a SRW tops out at 12,400# and F350 & F450 pickup top out at 14,000#.
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Old 07-17-2021, 05:14 AM   #37
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Yeah...we are are teetering back and forth between the Ford F350 4x4 SRW and the DRW

According to Ford the 2019 model crew cab 4x4 6.2L FFV V8 has a payload of 4480 and GVWR of 15,700 with a 5th wheel

The dually has a slightly lower GVWR of 15,600 but a significantly higher payload of 6550.

Of course I wouldn't buy anything till I verify numbers...but we are leaning towards dually if we can afford it.

Yes...verify! Don't concern yourself with brochure payload figures. The sticker on the actual truck you select will likely be way under the brochure weight. That 2019 truck Ford is describing with 4480 in payload will be a stripped down base model XL. Move up to a mid-level XLT and you'll likely drop off several hundred pounds from that figure.

Also remember that payload is simply the truck's listed GVWR minus it's curb weight. Ford's GVWR figures are dependent on engine, 2 wheel vs. 4 wheel drive and also on whether a 'de-rated' GVWR package was ordered. With an F350, this lowered GVWR will be 10,000 and is often chosen to potentially lower vehicle registration costs. My truck had this 'option'. However, I believe my particular configuration (6.2, 4x2, 160" wheelbase) would have only had a GVWR of 10600 or 10800 (can't recall which) without this de-rate.

Bottom line is that the max SRW GVWR for 2019 I believe was 11,500...but don't assume you will have it. It's dependent on all the factors above.
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Old 07-17-2021, 07:54 AM   #38
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So we were playing around with the "build your own truck" on the ford website and we "built" a F350 DRW with these specs:

2022 Ford Super Duty F-350 XL Crew Cab, 8’ Box, 6.2L SOHC 2-Valve Flex Fuel V8 Engine, TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission, 3.73 Limited Slip Axle Ratio, 4X4, DRW

And the total price was $55,410 before taxes and licensing. We could potentially do this if we got a big enough trade in on our 2012 F250..but I digress...LOL This is the same cost of all the used ones I've been looking at out there in cyber universe!

How the heck do I ensure something I built would have the specifications I needed to pull my 5th wheel that weighs 11,500 (real weight we fall a tad under) and carry all my family and gear???

Thoughts?
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So we were playing around with the "build your own truck" on the ford website and we "built" a F350 DRW with these specs:

2022 Ford Super Duty F-350 XL Crew Cab, 8’ Box, 6.2L SOHC 2-Valve Flex Fuel V8 Engine, TorqShift® 10-speed Automatic Transmission, 3.73 Limited Slip Axle Ratio, 4X4, DRW

And the total price was $55,410 before taxes and licensing. We could potentially do this if we got a big enough trade in on our 2012 F250..but I digress...LOL This is the same cost of all the used ones I've been looking at out there in cyber universe!

How the heck do I ensure something I built would have the specifications I needed to pull my 5th wheel that weighs 11,500 (real weight we fall a tad under) and carry all my family and gear???

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Get the fifth wheel prep kit …not necessarily the hitch itself but the bed pucks and trailer connector.
If you have an option for bigger fuel tank I would get that also
..I would do the build like you have then choose “find in inventory” or words to that effect…there maybe one in that configuration on a dealer lot somewhere…I like the diesel option but understand that’s not for everyone

That truck should do the job..payload is prob going to be around 5000 lbs
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The online build software... you get a price that must go to a local dealer to order? If they order, will that price you come up with today be valid when the truck arrives (could be some time based on the chip shortage)???
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