Passport 219bh actual weight

[Yenki]

Hi,

I'm looking at a WDH for my future 219bh. Could someone give me an indication of the actual weight of a passport 219bh. There is a noticeable difference between the brochure and the website. I know the documented numbers are also on the very low end and I would like to get a realistic number. If one of you also have the actual tongue weight that would also be useful.
Thanks!

[twanger]

From one first-time poster to another, I can help! I trolled rvtrader last week looking for some weight stickers for 219BH and found a few. The stickers supposedly are dry weights as it leaves the factory: 4,520, 4,720, 4,600, 4,630, 4,660. I think the 4,720 was a 2022 with the 200i solar panel on the roof, so that may have contributed a bit. I’m sure you can easily find all these stickers there if you’re so inclined.

I have no idea about hitch weights though.

I’m close to ordering one, just trying to figure out timing. I really want the Passport 176BH, but despite showing the floor plans for near a year now, Keystone won’t actually build one. Grrr.

[flybouy]

Welcome. Whatever someone else tw is would not be what yours will end up being. It all depends on jow much you carry and WHERE you place things inside. You don’t list a year but the Keystone web site lists the trailer gvw at 6,430 lbs. Take 13% as an edtimate would be 836 lbs. So I'd consider 1,000 lb bars.

[twanger]

Simply taking 13% of GVW isn’t at all accurate unless you plan to add exactly 1,700 lbs of cargo and max it out. Better methods are:

1) start with actual weight (apparently around 4,700), add what you think you’ll carry (typically 1,000 lbs or so), then assume 12%-14%. Or

2) start with the stated hitch weight, then if you’re adding like 20% of weight to the RV in cargo, scale up the stated hitch weight the same. Mfr’s hitch weight can be quite wrong, so this may not work great.

Looking at it both ways above is a good start.

Like was said above, tongue weight ultimately depends where you put your cargo and how much.

[chuckster57]

Since he doesn’t have the trailer yet, and would like to be prepared when he does, using the trailer GVWR and a percentage for TW makes a lot of sense. AND as stated above getting a WD with a bit of “cushion” is spot on IMO.

Having the trailer in front of you loaded, and being able to weigh the tongue is the only way to be exact, and I’m willing to bet the TW changes from trip to trip depending on what/how you pack including water.

Always be good for the MAX and you’ll never come up short.

[JDDilly]

As an estimated hitch weight, the standard way to calculate is to take 13% of the gross weight. That is only an estimate and the only way to know exactly is to hit a CAT scale with the TT loaded as you were going camping. You also need that estimate to make sure you TV is not over the payload capacity. The posted dry weight and hitch hitch weights are worthless when doing any capacity planning.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by twanger

Simply taking 13% of GVW isn’t at all accurate unless you plan to add exactly 1,700 lbs of cargo and max it out. Better methods are:

1) start with actual weight (apparently around 4,700), add what you think you’ll carry (typically 1,000 lbs or so), then assume 12%-14%. Or

2) start with the stated hitch weight, then if you’re adding like 20% of weight to the RV in cargo, scale up the stated hitch weight the same. Mfr’s hitch weight can be quite wrong, so this may not work great.

Looking at it both ways above is a good start.

Like was said above, tongue weight ultimately depends where you put your cargo and how much.

Using 13% of GVW "isn't at all accurate" but far better than using a dry weight, which will never be again once shipped, and figuring to add "typically 1000 lbs. or so" for cargo is much, much more inaccurate.

When assessing anything to do with a potential trailer you MUST use the gvw unless you can get actual, ready to camp, scale weights. Trying to "guess low" and "guesstimate" what another person carries in an RV is a recipe for disappointment; guesstimating on the gvw does not do that. Heck there are folks that carry 3k lbs.+ of gear and 1000lbs. is a pretty lowball number so you have to be careful what you advise to who - stay on the safe side.

As was mentioned, gvw is 6430; 13% for tongue = 836 lbs. An Equalizer 10k wdh with 1000 lb. bars supports tongue weights of 600-1000lbs. I quote the Equalizer because I am more familiar with them. That, or something similar, is what the OP needs.

[Yenki]

Originally Posted by sourdough

As was mentioned, gvw is 6430; 13% for tongue = 836 lbs. An Equalizer 10k wdh with 1000 lb. bars supports tongue weights of 600-1000lbs. I quote the Equalizer because I am more familiar with them. That, or something similar, is what the OP needs.

I am looking at the equalizer. The salesman told me 600lbs would be the right one for me. I told him that spending extra bucks for a 1000lbs was no problem but he argued that this would be inappropriate and too stiff.

You are not the first one recommending a 1000lbs for a similar setup. I'll insist and go with that!

Thanks everyone!

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by Yenki

I am looking at the equalizer. The salesman told me 600lbs would be the right one for me. I told him that spending extra bucks for a 1000lbs was no problem but he argued that this would be inappropriate and too stiff.

You are not the first one recommending a 1000lbs for a similar setup. I'll insist and go with that!

Thanks everyone!

The 600lb. option is going with "minimum". Going with the 1k bars won't hurt plus give you a cushion. There's not enough size increase with your trailer to worry about being too "stiff" IMO. Also, in the back of my mind (which may be off a little these days) it seems that the 10k gives you a more robust hitch head? Also, you might check with them on pricing; the Equalizer site shows the same price for the 6k hitch and the 10k hitch?

Edit: did a quick recheck and the same price is for the wdh without a pre installed ball. With the ball the 10k is about $30 more.

[markcee]

Originally Posted by Yenki

I am looking at the equalizer. The salesman told me 600lbs would be the right one for me. I told him that spending extra bucks for a 1000lbs was no problem but he argued that this would be inappropriate and too stiff.

You are not the first one recommending a 1000lbs for a similar setup. I'll insist and go with that!

Thanks everyone!

You should show the link below to the salesman. It is the sizing calculator on the Equal-i-zer website.

Put in the numbers it requests - even if you fiddle around with the tongue weight and make it crazy low like 435 lbs you will notice that Equal-i-zer still recommends the 10K/1000.

https://www.equalizerhitch.com/find-your-hitch-size

[twanger]

Not trying to throw a wrench in your plans, but if you're worried about hitch weights, just realize Equalizer is crazy heavy. There seem to be much lighter WD hitches, based purely on visuals. Don't get me wrong, I've hauled all over the country with Equalizer and I love them, but dang they're massive so figured you may want to know that.

[clockmanjim]

I've got a 2021 219BH, the tag on my trailer show


Unloaded Vehicle Weight = 4800#s
GVWR/PNBV = 6430#s
GAWR ( each axle) = 3500#s


Cargo Carrying Capacity = 1231#s
I have a e2 round bar WDH,

maximum tongue weight = 1000#s
maximum trailer weight = 10,000#s.



I pull mine with a 2017 Ford F-150 3.5 ecoboost
I have no problems. I hope this helps


Jim

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by twanger

Not trying to throw a wrench in your plans, but if you're worried about hitch weights, just realize Equalizer is crazy heavy. There seem to be much lighter WD hitches, based purely on visuals. Don't get me wrong, I've hauled all over the country with Equalizer and I love them, but dang they're massive so figured you may want to know that.

I am not sure what hitches you're comparing the Equalizer to, but Curt, Reese, Weighsafe, Husky, Blue Ox, EZ Lift and the majority of weight distribution hitches all weigh within about 25 pounds of each other if they have similar weight ratings and functions. A simple round bar WD hitch will weigh slightly less than a 4 point sway control hitch, but all hitches with similar features are pretty close in weight.

Is it possible that you're confusing the Hensley or the ProPride hitch with the Equalizer? The Hensley (and similar hitches) that weigh in around 170 to 200 pounds.

The exception to that are the Andersen hitch which weighs around 55 pounds.

[twanger]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

I am not sure what hitches you're comparing the Equalizer to, but Curt, Reese, Weighsafe, Husky, Blue Ox, EZ Lift and the majority of weight distribution hitches all weigh within about 25 pounds of each other if they have similar weight ratings and functions. A simple round bar WD hitch will weigh slightly less than a 4 point sway control hitch, but all hitches with similar features are pretty close in weight.

Is it possible that you're confusing the Hensley or the ProPride hitch with the Equalizer? The Hensley (and similar hitches) that weigh in around 170 to 200 pounds.

The exception to that are the Andersen hitch which weighs around 55 pounds.

Yup I was specifically thinking of the Andersen hitch, which I've heard decent things about. Hard to beat Equalizer, but boy is it heavy.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Yenki

I am looking at the equalizer. The salesman told me 600lbs would be the right one for me. I told him that spending extra bucks for a 1000lbs was no problem but he argued that this would be inappropriate and too stiff.

You are not the first one recommending a 1000lbs for a similar setup. I'll insist and go with that!

Thanks everyone!

It sounds to me like that salesman is looking out for the future... HIS FUTURE, not yours.....

Seems he's attempting to sell you a "barely minumum hitch" with the anticipation that when you trade for a larger trailer (80%+ do) then he can make more profit because you'll need a new hitch for the new trailer.....

Salesmen, there's almost always an "ulterior motive" to what they suggest...

What truck do you have? Sure, that truck will tow anything we have on the lot. We've got two of those models on the lot. One has olive interior and one has gray interior. I can let you have the one with olive interior for $1000 off the MSRP. (Most people get 25-35% off MSRP)... and the list goes on and on...

If a salesman says it, examine his words CAREFULLY !!!!!

[NH_Bulldog]

We have a 240bh with a specified tongue weight of 551 lbs. and an actual tongue weight of 980 lbs. which is 14% of my trailer’s gvwr of 7,000 lbs. We use an Eaz-Lift Trekker WDH with 1000/1200 lb. bars. We bought the hitch to go get the camper 750 miles away but based on published specs we bought the 600/800 lb. bars…..that was a mistake! At least the hitch head was the same and all I needed were stronger bars. But 1,000 lb. bars should be ample for you

[notanlines]

I'm also betting the 600# is the one he had in stock. Sometimes we're really hard on RV salesmen....

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by flybouy

Welcome. Whatever someone else tw is would not be what yours will end up being. It all depends on jow much you carry and WHERE you place things inside. You don’t list a year but the Keystone web site lists the trailer gvw at 6,430 lbs. Take 13% as an edtimate would be 836 lbs. So I'd consider 1,000 lb bars.

Since he owns the trailer perhaps walk out and look at the white sticker on the driver side towards the front and low. It will have the gross weight or at least the empty weight and amount that can be carried. I would trust what is on the trailer rather than on the fantastic Keystone website.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

Since he owns the trailer perhaps walk out and look at the white sticker on the driver side towards the front and low. It will have the gross weight or at least the empty weight and amount that can be carried. I would trust what is on the trailer rather than on the fantastic Keystone website.

OP said it was a "future" RV in first post.

[wiredgeorge]

Sorry, missed that...