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Old Today, 01:46 PM   #21
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Check inverter

We have a 2017.5 Alpine 3401RS with 2 main batteries and 2 batteries for the residential refrigerator. On our unit, you have to turn on the inverter above the refrigerator batteries in the front storage bay for the refrigerator to run when disconnected from shore power.
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My perspective, for what it's worth: If you compare Keystone and Grand Designs, you'll find that GD is much more "helpful when you call". GD staffs their customer service department differently than Keystone. They also "factor in a much greater percentage of MSRP to be allocated for warranty work than Keystone....

As an hypothetical example: Keystone markets a 26' mid grade ultralight travel trailer for $35000. They calculate warranty claims of 3%. That's $1050 they can spend on that trailer and still not cut their profit margin. Let's say that's "Keystone's business model"....

Now, GD builds essentially the same trailer, using the same equipment, the same labor force in the same type plant. Their "cost to build" is going to be the same as Keystone's cost. But, they market their trailer at $41000, about 15% more than Keystone. They "know" that it's going to cost around the same "warranty costs" to repair their trailer as it does to repair the Keystone trailer. BUT, they have an additional $5000 to invest in "superior customer service and eager warranty repairs".... To them, it's a "customer perception that's worth the investment in increased MSRP." That's a "different business model"....

To the customer who has problems with his GD trailer, the perception is that GD's warranty is better. In reality, he paid a big chunk of change to get that warranty.

If you have a "problem trailer, the faster, easier to deal with warranty may seem a good deal. To the person who buys either brand and doesn't ever return to the dealership for warranty and never writes the factory about problems, there's a certain "lure of saving money" that comes with the Keystone business model.

I'd suppose that for someone who does their own maintenance and repairs, Keystone is a much better "investment"... On the other hand, someone who "expects an automotive warranty experience", maybe paying more for a GD may keep their expectations in the positive arena...

Bottom line is that for nearly every trailer, the Keystone warranty is going to fix things that break. The reality is that it's likely to take longer, with more frustration and more "owner involvement" than with the GD business model, but, you pay $5000 less with those frustrations... The "value for what you get" is an individual consideration.... Some prefer the eager to help attitude and are willing to pay for it. Some prefer to save the money. For them, the frustration is worth the savings....

Problem is, most people never look at any "situational picture" wider than their broken trim molding and think, "Keystone doesn't care".....


The above is what I've said for a long time. GD and Keystone are basically the same trailers when you dig thru them. You always pay a premium for the GD as you said, not for "better quality" but for a different kind of treatment after the sale. They are different business models with different end goals. It apparently works well for both of them it's just up to a potential customer to decide if they think that extra 15%, 10k or whatever is worth a "smiling voice" on the other end.
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Speaking of Keystone customer service, didn't Keystone pick up phone service for one or more of the other camper brands under Thor or is my memory faulty?
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Speaking of Keystone customer service, didn't Keystone pick up phone service for one or more of the other camper brands under Thor or is my memory faulty?
Dutchman, Coleman, Crossroads and all the "Keystone brands".
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