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Old 08-23-2018, 07:53 AM   #1
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First Keystone RV, any suggestions?

Hi Folks,

New to the forum and a longtime RVer having owned Viking, Dutchman, Trail-lite and Forest River. We just purchased a 2018 Hideout 299RLDS 5th wheel. Does anyone have any thoughts or suggestions regarding issues or problems I should be looking at with this new rig? Not really looking for problems but if there are come common troubles I want to nip them now. It's our first Keystone and I know every manufacturer has their problems.

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Old 08-23-2018, 09:18 AM   #2
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Replacing the Chinese OEM tires seems to be the biggest recommendation.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:12 AM   #3
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Just a thought on your tires (and you need to look at them); I suspect they are Trailer King or the like. It shows your trailer has a gvw of 11,200 lbs. It also shows that you were provided 225/75r15 LRE tires. To me (not to all folks) that is a problem. Yes, they fit within required guidelines, just not mine. The tires are rated at 2830 lbs. each. 4 provide support for 11,320 lbs. vs gvw of 11,200 lbs. Not much, if any, cushion.

Standard thinking is to deduct the pin weight from that, so, if you were at 11,000 with a pin weight of 20% = 2200 lbs that should be removed from the theoretical weight that is on the tires leaving ample safety margin. I believe the tires should give a good margin above the possible gvw of the trailer without consideration of the pin/tongue. I also think that consideration is more important with a tongue pulled trailer vs a 5th wheel. Just to share my thinking for you to ponder - many will disagree, but, once a blowout takes out the underside you think about it a little more.

You have the OEM tires; probably the TKs or something similar. With the LRE in that size I don't know that they make a higher load range. If that is the case I would then think about the quality of the tire and the things that happen when tires are loaded near their max. A TK tire is built sub standard IMO. When I pulled them off (about 3500-4000 miles on them) they felt like squashy rubber bands against the new Carlisle Radial HDs I put on. The Carlisles were much heavier/stiffer.

Not to make you worry about your new trailer or be overly concerned. Just check out what's on it and let us know. That size trailer on that size tire/load range in a Trailer King would give me pause.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:43 AM   #4
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I will check it out tonight to see exactly what's on there. Thank you for the insight.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:00 AM   #5
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Tire info

Here is that is on my rig...

Load Star Karrier Radial Trailer Tire ST225/75R-15
Load Range : D (8 ply)
Max Capacity : 2540 lbs. each
Side Wall : 8.9"
Overall Diameter : 28.4"
Maximum PSI : 65 lbs
Fits Rim Size : 15 x 6"

Load Star Karrier ST Radial
The KARRIER ST offers double steel belts with full nylon plies for durability and increased tire life.
The computer generated tread design, in conjunction with a new tread rubber compound, provides superior traction in wet or dry conditions.
The KARRIER ST radial tires are continually tested for uniformity to help insure a smoother ride while providing additional stability at highway speeds.

Rig weight:

Hitch Weight 1615 lbs
Dry Weight 8850 lbs
Cargo Weight 2350 lbs
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:19 AM   #6
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I've been keeping notes on the one I bought in April. It's a TT built in facility #7.

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If it were me I’d upgrade to an E rated tire with your rig. Maxxis would be my choice


Other concerns to check and annually check would be...

... grease zerk fittings on leaf springs.
... check roof sealant and look carefully at roof membrane where it meets front cap seam. Any gap is an issue. Reseal with Dicor self leveling sealant. Do this at
Least once a year

... learn in advance where your manual override is for landing gear and slides. And purchase whatever tools needed to operate manually. In my case a cordless drill and long 1/4 apex but

... lug wrench and jack with blocks in case you need to change a tire.

Others will offer more input.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:36 AM   #8
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I believe the Load Star/Karrier tires are made by Kenda. I have no experience with that brand on an RV. I did have them on a boat trailer (about 5000 lbs.) and had to replace them because the sidewalls completely split due to UV exposure.

My biggest concern (MY personal thinking) is the D rated tires. I thought you were on the edge with the E load range. The D is about 290 lbs. less per tire.

Others will chime in on this but if it were mine, I would have nothing less than an E rated tire (F is there is such a thing) in a well made tire with a proven history.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:25 AM   #9
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Thank you, You are correct, they are made by Kenda. I have read many reviews and they seem to be fairly decent yet the D rating is concerning. Hard to imagine that Keystone would equip a unit with incorrectly rated tires but it doesn't surprise me. We only have one more trip planned this season so I'm thinking I can replace them in the spring. Money is a little tight after buying the rig and adding several mods to get it to be what we really wanted.
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Getting reviews on your dealer ,like my dealer they like to sell but don't know how to fix under warranty passing the buck. Good dealer is the key to a happy customers.
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Old 08-24-2018, 09:47 AM   #11
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Just be careful on that last trip. Keep a close eye on the tires while traveling. If you don't have an infrared temp gun get one ($15-20). If you don't have a TPMS system put that at the top of the list (after an EMS). The blowout on my Trailer Kings was at the beginning of the 2nd season and my trailer, like yours, had tires that did not have sufficient load capacity IMO.
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If it were me I’d upgrade to an E rated tire with your rig. Maxxis would be my choice


Other concerns to check and annually check would be...

... grease zerk fittings on leaf springs.
... check roof sealant and look carefully at roof membrane where it meets front cap seam. Any gap is an issue. Reseal with Dicor self leveling sealant. Do this at
Least once a year

... learn in advance where your manual override is for landing gear and slides. And purchase whatever tools needed to operate manually. In my case a cordless drill and long 1/4 apex but

... lug wrench and jack with blocks in case you need to change a tire.

Others will offer more input.
Would like to add a bit to these excellent thoughts... lug nuts are torqued to 100 ft/lbs so get a breaker bar with cheater pipe if you are well, seasoned like me. As far as tires go, I personally have used Carlisle tires now and in the past (they are always in stock at Discount tire) and have had no issues.
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Old 09-09-2018, 09:02 PM   #13
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As it is made by Keystone, carry all manner of tools as many things will surely break. Worst quality control of any manufacturer building RVs today.
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Old 09-10-2018, 07:42 AM   #14
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Congrats on your purchase. We have owned ours for 5 years now and nothing major happened until this year. Our furnace went out, but overall it has been a great TT.

I would just be sure that you have a nice cold beverage when you are done setting up and enjoy yourself. You sound like you are a seasoned camper so nothing should surprise you.
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I would:
Upgrade tire capacity and quality. Maxis, the new Carlisle HD, maybe Goodyear Endurance. If you up the capacity be sure the wheels are rated for increased air pressure, if required.
Greaseable wet bolts for the suspension.
If you have Dometic appliances (fridge, A/C) be sure they are registered with Dometic, especially the fridge. They should be warranted for 2 years and Dometic should send you a letter before the 2 years are up offering an extended warranty.
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Thanks for the info. I sat down a few nights ago and sorted through all of the paperwork and manuals that came with the unit. I did not notice any warranty cards in the traditional form. Are all the registrations done via the web now rather than the old mail type in warranty cards?
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sorted through all of the paperwork and manuals that came with the unit. I did not notice any warranty cards in the traditional form. Are all the registrations done via the web now rather than the old mail type in warranty cards?
I was wondering the same thing.
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Most dealerships will register the appliance warranty as a part of the finance manager's function. During the time you were sitting across the desk from the finance guy, telling him no, you don't want the extended warranty and the appearance protection package, chances are he was pulling out all those warranty registration cards and filling out your name/address on them. They usually drop them in the mail as a part of that process.

Check with your dealership and ask if they did it for you. Most do, some don't.
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Our dealership doesn’t. Part of my walkthrough includes showing the owners packet and instructing the new owner to register everything.
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So I just went though the Dometic paperwork and there are no warranty cards. However it does direct you to register online. There are online instructions as to where you can find the required model and serial numbers. I registered my refrigerator in about three minutes. Very easy process.
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