Payload and axle ratings

[jhplak325]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

That was true until the introduction of the 2020 GM 2500 series. The Silverado 2500 GVW is advertised as 10,650 https://www.chevrolet.com/trucks/sil...tyleOne=405288 so the "I always thought the limit was 10,000 pounds on 3/4 ton trucks" must have found a loophole if GM is advertising 10,650 as the "new GVW for 2500's".....

I'm not sure if Fiat and Ford will follow the same increase or if they will "remain steadfast at 10,000 pounds and "let GM have the greater payload numbers"....

ADDED: On the Chevrolet.com website, the GVW for the Silverado 2500 is listed at 10650 in the link above, but on the "capabilities specs" on another page (1 click away) the "max GVW" is listed at 10350.... Who knows what's going to be on the "yellow sticker on the doorpost" ????

10,650 is for a crew cab long bed 4wd gas.

10,350 is for a double cab standard bed 4wd gas.

Add about 700 lbs for diesel.

For 2020, GVW varies between 10,000 lbs to 11,350 lbs depending on cab, bed and powertrain configurations for 3/4 ton trucks.

[ctbruce]

If you get in trouble for being over GVWR and go to jail, don't worry. MTOFEL has your back and will pay your bail. Easy peasy. Or not.

[notanlines]

Chip, you are aging yourself....
I might further add that some of y'all are a little harsh in your judgement statements concerning salesmen. I'd be interested in knowing just what industry you work/worked in that had no sales force. And if your occupation does include a sales force, are they not generally honorable people? Okay, I'll jump off this soap box and have a cold one.

[Northofu1]

Love Alfred E Neuman, and Mad magazine.
When it comes to sales staff there are always exceptions to the rule. To the inordinate numbers of sales people that sell products they have no knowledge of and lie to sell, to sell products that don't work, are useless, or are crap. Find another line of work where you won't reap the scorn of the customer or public. Like maybe meteorologist or politics

[+Ruff Rider]

Originally Posted by jhplak325

10,650 is for a crew cab long bed 4wd gas.

10,350 is for a double cab standard bed 4wd gas.

Add about 700 lbs for diesel.

For 2020, GVW varies between 10,000 lbs to 11,350 lbs depending on cab, bed and powertrain configurations for 3/4 ton trucks.

exactly
Message to short LOL

[mtofell]

Originally Posted by sourdough

That's a pretty strong, cut and dried statement. I would expect that you can post your definitive proof that exceeding those maximums and then being found guilty of causing an accident won't affect you legally or with your insurance company. If not, that is very poor advice and should be retracted IMO.

Sorry, you're right..... it's my neighbor's hairdresser's daughter's soccer coach that's in jail. I always get that wrong.

See OP, I told you these threads always turn into an argument. I think some of these folks have too much spare time on their hands. Just do your research and decide works for you.

[CWtheMan]

Originally Posted by mtofell

Just do your research and decide (what) works for you.

Best message in this thread.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by jhplak325

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For 2020, GVW varies between 10,000 lbs to 11,350 lbs depending on cab, bed and powertrain configurations for 3/4 ton trucks.

I haven't seen any information from GM that indicates a 2500 (3/4 ton) truck has anything near 11,350 pound GVW. The most I've seen in GM data is 10,650. Where can I find the GM data indicating the 3/4 ton GVW reaches as heavy as 11,350?

I'd think, with "current 1 ton trucks" having GVW's in the 11,400 range, now increased by Fiat to 12,300, the "trend" is to increase GVW in all the series, but to have a 3/4 ton that's rated higher than a 1 ton???

Much "to muddy the separation" with that move, so where does this go with GVW limits, insurance classifications, registration/licensing costs and things we haven't considered ???? I'm sure there's much more to come from this increase, my concern: How much will be "benefit" and how much will be "backlash" ???...

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by mtofell

Sorry, you're right..... it's my neighbor's hairdresser's daughter's soccer coach that's in jail. I always get that wrong.

See OP, I told you these threads always turn into an argument. I think some of these folks have too much spare time on their hands. Just do your research and decide works for you.

Not an argument at all. You made a flat out statement of fact. I asked you to show your proof - not an argument, a question about the basis for your comment - maybe you know something I or others don't. There will be none and my intent is to call out an erroneous, flippant statement that misleads the OP (IMO) after he asked an honest question hoping for honest answers I'm sure. Now, you can provide the proof or you can turn it into an argument, your call but I won't engage in an argument with you as the OP can do a search and find all kinds of info on his question as suggested.

[jhplak325]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

I haven't seen any information from GM that indicates a 2500 (3/4 ton) truck has anything near 11,350 pound GVW. The most I've seen in GM data is 10,650. Where can I find the GM data indicating the 3/4 ton GVW reaches as heavy as 11,350?

I'd think, with "current 1 ton trucks" having GVW's in the 11,400 range, now increased by Fiat to 12,300, the "trend" is to increase GVW in all the series, but to have a 3/4 ton that's rated higher than a 1 ton???

Much "to muddy the separation" with that move, so where does this go with GVW limits, insurance classifications, registration/licensing costs and things we haven't considered ???? I'm sure there's much more to come from this increase, my concern: How much will be "benefit" and how much will be "backlash" ???...

Here you go
https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/gm...2020.tab1.html

Info is listed under specifications and base GVWR.

One of the announcements on the new 2020 trucks, GM commented they wanted the 3/4 ton trucks to have a payload capacity of 3,000 lb minimum and did not matter what powertrain configuration.

2020 GM 1 ton SRW range from 10,750 lbs to 12,250 lbs.

1 ton DRW is 14,000 lb across the board.

I was planning on getting a 1 ton SRW in the next couple of years, but based on GM’s new rating numbers, I might stay with a 3/4 ton for registration reasons.

[SummitPond]

Originally Posted by jhplak325

Here you go
https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/gm...2020.tab1.html

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Nice plug for Keystone. I wonder if it was a product placement arrangement?

[jhplak325]

Originally Posted by SummitPond

Nice plug for Keystone. I wonder if it was a product placement arrangement?

I am sure it is, go to Keystone’s website and there is a GMC on it.

The 2020 GM HD’s can communicate with the in-command system. So I sure that is why both companies are show each other’s products.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by SummitPond

Nice plug for Keystone. I wonder if it was a product placement arrangement?

Ya think? There's a word for that....

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by jhplak325

Here you go
https://media.gmc.com/media/us/en/gm...2020.tab1.html
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Thanks for the link. I see some "turmoil" in our future. Ford went to aluminum bodies and separated the "gas F250" from the rest of the fleet by introducing a different (lighter duty??) transmission in that truck... Now GM is increasing the GVW in their 3/4 ton trucks, further muddying the water between the 3/4 and 1 ton offerings. They're all stepping up the game, but I wonder where states are going to "redefine the tax base" ???? Part of the 26,000 max GCWR and the 10,000 max GVWR for licensing, insurance and taxes was based on those numbers. I'm wondering if buying a new GM will cost more to register and insure (in some states) based on current limits or if somehow there's a "workaround" for those vehicles ????

I'm sure it'll all work out eventually, but I see some growing pains in some places with some trucks.

Again, thanks for the link, it's very interesting !!!

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by mtofell

Keep researching... you'll find a ton of information about GVWR vs. Axle weights. It's a very polarizing discussion and the threads are often filled with all kinds of furor. IMO, axle weight are what matter most. They are what tires are rated to, brakes, frame and everything else that matters. Of course, many posters will swear their neighbor's hairdresser's son's soccer coach is in prison for getting caught exceeding his GVWR and that his insurance wouldn't pay when he got in a wreck..... but they are lying

Originally Posted by sourdough

That's a pretty strong, cut and dried statement. I would expect that you can post your definitive proof that exceeding those maximums and then being found guilty of causing an accident won't affect you legally or with your insurance company. If not, that is very poor advice and should be retracted IMO.

I agree with Sourdough! While I towed over GVWR for several years as we went full time, towing overweight wasn't an issue with the TV as it worked well. My fear was getting in an accident my fault OR NOT, and having a money hungry accident Lawyer coming after in a civil case.
I wasn't going to get pulled over for being over weight as the TV towed level and rode well.

That is no longer an issue for me now as we got a Ram 3500 DRW with a 14,000# GVWR.

[sonofcy]

Originally Posted by KSH

Trying to get crystal clear on my payload.
Sticker on truck says max gvwr 10,000 lbs

Gawr front: 6000 lbs
Gawr rear: 6500 lbs

Truck scaled at
Front: 5220
Rear: 3320
Total: 8540

So is my payload really only 1,460lbs even though I have way more room on the axles?

There is a payload sticker on the truck with the tire into that says max payload 1,573 lbs.

Seems so low for 2500 truck.

Am I unfortunately reading this all correctly?



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YES, that's the correct way to determine your payload. Remember, if you did not weigh it fully loaded like you were ready to hitch up, your payload may even be lower.

[sonofcy]

Originally Posted by fatcatzzz

If you are pulling a 16k Montana the pin weight is more like 3200+ lbs. At the very least you are beating up your truck.

My overloaded Montana weighed in at 18,275 with a pin weight of 4,125 (22.5%). Yes, overloaded but I was moving stuff that has now been removed.

[Tireman9]

I think one of the primary reasons we see a lor of vehicles have a 10,000# hard point is that many of the DOT vehicle standards have "class" of vehicles, tires and components that get categorized as over or under 10,000#


Tires, TPMS are two that come quickly to my mind.


It may see that going from 9,999# to 10,001# would be easy and have no significant consequence but what would a TPMS and tires and wheels cost? There are other items too but these would be easy to understand.


You can look HERE and search for all the standards that change at 10k#


Don't just read the titles but remember there are test details that spec loads too.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by Tireman9

I think one of the primary reasons we see a lor of vehicles have a 10,000# hard point is that many of the DOT vehicle standards have "class" of vehicles, tires and components that get categorized as over or under 10,000#

Tires, TPMS are two that come quickly to my mind.

It may see that going from 9,999# to 10,001# would be easy and have no significant consequence but what would a TPMS and tires and wheels cost? There are other items too but these would be easy to understand.

You can look HERE and search for all the standards that change at 10k#

Don't just read the titles but remember there are test details that spec loads too.

We went through this GVW increase change"several times in the past... "Back when" the " 250/2500 truck GVW cutoff" was 8200 pounds, in around 1998 (est) that changed to 8800 pounds, then again in 2006 (est) that changed to 9900 pounds and in 2009/10 it changed to 10000 pounds....

So, it's not "new and so different" that the GVW is being "upped again"... It's just that it's happening first with RAM on the 1 ton, now with GM on the 3/4 ton and likely with Ford on both with new model year introductions...

The more things change, the more they remain the same (fluidly inflexible)...

[KSH]

Problem solved!