Truck opinions... - Page 3

Javi · 03-15-2019, 04:52 AM

I'm pushing 60K on my '15 F350 dually and I've never had a problem with excessive regeneration and use 2 1/2 gallons of DEF per 3K on average.

I drive this truck daily to and from work a total of 14 miles a day round trip. Most weekends we'll average 100 miles on the highway.

In the 4 years I've owned this truck I've seen the DRIVE TO CLEAN EXHAUST warning twice and both times a twenty minute drive on the highway took care of it.

I'm 70 years old and work 50 hours a week but I'm not put out by having to spend 20 minutes every two years driving to clean the exhaust system..

Hope I never get that busy...

fable081 · 03-15-2019, 05:17 AM

I just did what Laredo Tugger referenced. I had a 2017 F 150 Lariat loaded with everything including retractable running boards but the problem with having a loaded truck was the cargo capacity was not near enough for the pin weight and passengers (including dogs) and traded it in for a less equipped 2017 F250 6.7l . Have only had it for 1 week but the mileage is slightly better with the 250. I now have more power and a significant increase in cargo capacity (7070 lbs to 9900) and to be honest feel much safer.

**JRTJH** · 03-15-2019, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by fable081

I just did what Laredo Tugger referenced. I had a 2017 F 150 Lariat loaded with everything including retractable running boards but the problem with having a loaded truck was the cargo capacity was not near enough for the pin weight and passengers (including dogs) and traded it in for a less equipped 2017 F250 6.7l . Have only had it for 1 week but the mileage is slightly better with the 250. I now have more power and a significant increase in cargo capacity (7070 lbs to 9900) and to be honest feel much safer.

That's the GVW of the truck and has only a little to do with ability to carry payload. A F150 with a curb weight of 4500 pounds and a GVW of 7070 pounds (payload of 2570) can carry significantly more than a F250 diesel that weighs 8100 pounds with a GVW of 9900 pounds (payload of 1800 pounds).

You've got to "run all the numbers" and not just look at the GVW.

77cruiser · 03-15-2019, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JRTJH

That's the GVW of the truck and has only a little to do with ability to carry payload. A F150 with a curb weight of 4500 pounds and a GVW of 7070 pounds (payload of 2570) can carry significantly more than a F250 diesel that weighs 8100 pounds with a GVW of 9900 pounds (payload of 1800 pounds).

You've got to "run all the numbers" and not just look at the GVW.

What would you rather pull a 14K trailer with?

MarkEHansen · 03-15-2019, 07:56 AM

If you're over the payload, then you're into the "test pilot" zone. I would rather have a truck that can accommodate my trailer safely.

Laredo Tugger · 03-15-2019, 08:25 AM

Fortunately I do not think the trailer fable081 has is too much for the TV he selected. Yes there is a differential in payload,but overall his frame,brakes and power are well suited for his trailer. Not that is is right, but I have seen many 250/2500 diesels pulling way more trailer than that down the highway. Way more!
If you look at the signatures of different post on here, you will see combinations very similar to yours. So is he OK?
RMc

Sandals 123 · 03-15-2019, 08:50 AM

It does appear that there are common issues with the use of a diesel engine in a non-commercial truck, these engines are meant to be put to work and are less efficient as domestic run-around units.

Because my truck is definitely off warranty, I am going to have the Deletes done and I will report back. My goals are slightly better fuel economy and FAR less smoke (added Horsepower a bonus too). I will report back once I get the work done and some miles logged.

Thanks
Alan

**JRTJH** · 03-15-2019, 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by 77cruiser

What would you rather pull a 14K trailer with?

I'd first question: PULL or TOW ????

As for me, I'd prefer to TOW a 14K trailer with a truck that's rated in ALL categories, GVW, Payload, RAWR, FAWR, GCWR. As for "PULL" you can do that with a 2005 Ranger V-6.

I was simply stating that "just because the GVW is greater doesn't mean that the truck is "better suited to tow". ALL of the ratings need to be considered, not just GVW.

I tow a 27RKS, a smaller version of the 28RKS that's smaller, has less "empty pin weight" and is 1000 pounds lighter. I tow with a F250 diesel and can tell you that if I'm not careful I can easily exceed my truck payload and GVW.

To answer your question: I'd prefer to tow with an adequately rated tow vehicle, not one that's "bigger than my last truck so it must be OK".... Many "bigger trucks" are still "too damned little for the job".... YMMV

A F250 diesel (heavily optioned model) can easily be overloaded with a "half ton fifth wheel". In fact, the 28RKS "empty pin weight" of 1745, by the time you add propane and batteries will approach the payload of a 2016 King Ranch F250 and if you add a passenger to the 2017 King Ranch model, you'll be "at GVW" and that's before adding any cargo to the truck or the trailer. So, I'd prefer not to tow that 10K fifth wheel with a F250. As for a 14K trailer, well, the answer should be obvious. Again, YMMV

77cruiser · 03-15-2019, 03:37 PM

I don't push it except when backing up, mostly pulling on it.

**JRTJH** · 03-15-2019, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 77cruiser

I don't push it except when backing up, mostly pulling on it.

Half the world's comedians are looking for work and your audition, well, don't quit your day job....Obviously you've completely missed the entire point, so, there's certainly no need for me to continue wasting any more time. I hope you figure it out, eventually.....

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77cruiser · 03-15-2019, 04:56 PM

Wasn't trying to be funny. Don't have a day job did my duty days & nights. Got it figure out I'm fine.

fable081 · 03-15-2019, 05:23 PM

Tried to post around noon today but obviously it did not take.

JRTH I agree with your comments ref the GVW and I should have expanded my post to clarify.
My 150 Lariat had a Curb Weight of 5600 lbs and a GVW of 7070 which only gave me a payload off 1,470 bs. I was overweight by 850 lbs.

My 250 was a special order XLT bare bones but with the 6.7l and is 6477 Curb with a GVW off 9900 for a 3,423 payload. And you are also correct that the weight in the 28 RKS sneaks up really fast if you are not watching what you are doing . My last Pin weight was 1973 lbs and the RV was 9500 lbs which is 20%.

I do appreciate the comments received especially from senior members who have been doing this for a long time. I have reaped more than I have sown from this site and hopefully someday I will be in a position to return the solid advice.

Thanks everyone for the input and my apologies if the original post may have been hijacked a bit with my original post.
Regards
Chuck

HitFactor · 03-15-2019, 05:40 PM

How did this turn into the forum weight police thread? Complete with a temper tantrum?

rhagfo · 03-15-2019, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 77cruiser

What would you rather pull a 14K trailer with?

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Originally Posted by fable081

Tried to post around noon today but obviously it did not take.

JRTH I agree with your comments ref the GVW and I should have expanded my post to clarify.
My 150 Lariat had a Curb Weight of 5600 lbs and a GVW of 7070 which only gave me a payload off 1,470 bs. I was overweight by 850 lbs.

My 250 was a special order XLT bare bones but with the 6.7l and is 6477 Curb with a GVW off 9900 for a 3,423 payload. And you are also correct that the weight in the 28 RKS sneaks up really fast if you are not watching what you are doing . My last Pin weight was 1973 lbs and the RV was 9500 lbs which is 20%.

I do appreciate the comments received especially from senior members who have been doing this for a long time. I have reaped more than I have sown from this site and hopefully someday I will be in a position to return the solid advice.

Thanks everyone for the input and my apologies if the original post may have been hijacked a bit with my original post.
Regards
Chuck

What would I rather tow a 14,000# 5er with? I would chose at minimum a 350/3500 SRW, with some nice options.

To Fable081, why not just order a nicely optioned F350 SRW, that can have a max GVWR of 11,500#? I will for the life of me not understand peoples obsession with buying a 3/4 ton Diesel for towing a 5er, they just don't have the payload.
In addition Fable081, is 3,423# the payload listed on the payload sticker on the new truck? I know that Ford uses a lot of aluminum in their trucks, but 6,477# seems very light for a F250, even bare bones.

CaptnJohn · 03-17-2019, 08:27 AM

If never going to tow over 10,000# a gasser will struggle on big hills but will work. The 6.0 and 6.4 engines Ford bought from others were never a good idea. A delete is expensive if complete and done correct, not really worth it in fuel savings (about 0). That money would be better spend on a newer engine. When it comes to trade no dealer will take it unless nearly free to send to auction. The emission items are required by federal law. In at least CA deleted will not pass the smog test, not a test in many states.
I had the chore of driving my neighbors 2018 GMC 3500 pulling 12,700# over 1650 miles. I'd not trade him for my 2016 F350 with over 80,000 miles on the odometer. The GMC got a very little better mileage single, my F350 gets better towing 2000# more weight ~ also a full profile vs mid profile. The GMC did seem to have a little stronger engine brake but nothing else was impressive.

ADQ K9 · 03-17-2019, 10:09 AM

As a commerical driver I will throw in my 2 cents. If I were to get a Fiver I would have a DRW truck. A heavier tow vehicle will always be the safer option IMO Yes you can do it with a SRW if you are within the weight limits of the truck, you just gotta do the math.