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Old 04-28-2014, 10:07 AM   #1
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Propane Regulator not working?

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So I have had a problem getting propane from the street or drivers side of the 5er. It is a 2012 Cougar 330RBK. I can get gas from the curb side no problem, and the little reg-green indicator show green from the curb side and red from the street side. The tank has gas, I'm sure. There is a small red regulator between the street side and the other changeover regulator curb side.

I am thinking the red regulator on the street side is defective. My question is, what is the purpose of the red regulator? and does it really need to be there when the gas goes through the changeover regulator?

Update: I think the red regulator is a 10psi high pressure regulator. I have attached a couple of pictures of ones I found online that look like mine...
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:14 AM   #2
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I have have that second regulator too between where the pigtail connects to the black pipe that goes to the other side main regulator.

First I'd suggest turning off your tank, disconnecting the pigtail and then reconnecting it and turning the tank back on slowly. Sometimes if you turn it on too fast the little check valve in there will activate and make it seem like you aren't getting any LP. If that doesn't work than I'd make sure the tank is full, and after that looking at the red regulator.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:31 AM   #3
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On our 5er, we were having the same issue. We read the sticky regarding the proper way to turn on the gas but to no avail. We ended up replacing the 'pig-tails' on both sides - solved the problem for us. (about $30.00) Also, the fittings that connect to the regulators are different on each side. (At least they are on ours)
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:36 AM   #4
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On our 5er, we were having the same issue. We read the sticky regarding the proper way to turn on the gas but to no avail. We ended up replacing the 'pig-tails' on both sides - solved the problem for us. (about $30.00) Also, the fittings that connect to the regulators are different on each side. (At least they are on ours)

You changed this part?
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:40 AM   #5
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You changed this part?
Yessir - On ours, the one you picture with the male threads is on the curbside.
Later on, we had trouble with the other side and had to change it as well. The roadside is female flare where it mates up with the red regulator.
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Old 04-28-2014, 10:43 AM   #6
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Yessir - On ours, the one you picture with the male threads is on the curbside.
Later on, we had trouble with the other side and had to change it as well. The roadside is female flare where it mates up with the red regulator.
Thank you, But is is just a hose? right? how did it fail?
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Yes, just the hose. Don't know how it failed. The guy at the gas place said he had seen "quite a few" of these. I was skeptical, at first, about the hose being bad but, changing it ended our problem. It could be something to do with a safety device in the hose. Or, perhaps the inside of the hose was collapsing and not allowing the gas to flow? I'm hesitant to speculate further for fear of......
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Gotcha... thanks...
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It's not "just a hose" There are two safety devices built in, a thermal protector that shuts down propane flow in the event of excess temperature and a maximum flow valve that shuts down propane if the flow exceeds a preset level. So, if either of those "safety devices" fails, the "hose" won't flow propane.
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It's not "just a hose" There are two safety devices built in, a thermal protector that shuts down propane flow in the event of excess temperature and a maximum flow valve that shuts down propane if the flow exceeds a preset level. So, if either of those "safety devices" fails, the "hose" won't flow propane.
Wow, please allow me to clarify my posted statement. I did not mean to imply that the propane pig-tail is "just a hose". The OP had asked me if it was "just a hose". I interpreted his question to mean that was the only part that I had changed. My statement reads "just the Hose" (not "just a hose"). When the OP asked how it had failed, I stated that I did not know and referred to a possible "safety device" or the possible collapsing of the hose's lining. In any event, I attempted to assure the OP that changing the hose had corrected our problem.
I also told him that I was hesitant to speculate further for .... well - enough said.
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Wow, please allow me to clarify my posted statement. I did not mean to imply that the propane pig-tail is "just a hose". The OP had asked me if it was "just a hose". I interpreted his question to mean that was the only part that I had changed. My statement reads "just the Hose" (not "just a hose"). When the OP asked how it had failed, I stated that I did not know and referred to a possible "safety device" or the possible collapsing of the hose's lining. In any event, I attempted to assure the OP that changing the hose had corrected our problem.
I also told him that I was hesitant to speculate further for .... well - enough said.
jsmith948,
I am sure JRTJH was referring to my claim that it was Just a Hose...
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Also on a new note, I found a local propane dealer said if I bring him the hose and regulator he can check it to see if it is working properly...
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jsmith948: Whatever ... Geesh

Comptech: Yes, when you made the comment, "Just a hose" It seemed that you were "perplexed" at how a "simple tube that carries propane could stop working"... So I wanted to interject that there's more to the pigtail assembly than "just a hose" Years ago, it was "just a hose" but with the safety features required by all the regulatory agencies, it's now a much more complex device and some of the components are subject to fail. Unfortunately (or fortunately) depending on your experience, it's a one time use item, once it fails, throw it away and replace with a new one.
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Also on a new note, I found a local propane dealer said if I bring him the hose and regulator he can check it to see if it is working properly...

Comptech when you have it checked can you ask the dealer how he checked it? It would be interesting to know if this could be done at home.
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Comptech when you have it checked can you ask the dealer how he checked it? It would be interesting to know if this could be done at home.
Steve.. sure will do...
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Comptech when you have it checked can you ask the dealer how he checked it? It would be interesting to know if this could be done at home.
Steve,
All they did was hook the hose and regulator to a tank and hold their thumb over the exit portion of the regulator and slowly let their finger off and gas would flow out. If they completely removed their finger the check vale would kick in and the gas flow would stop....
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Problem Found

So... what it turned out to be was that on the transfer switch side, on the side feeding the curb side tank, was missing a fitting that contains a check valve. So apparently the transfer switch was detecting a back flow and would cut off gas from the drivers side tank. It has been like this from the dealer and either the dealer didn't install it right or it came from the factory like that.....

So in the pic the brass fitting on the left side was missing and the LP hose was screwed right in to the transfer valve...
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