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[CHIMOMMY2]

Hi, Hubby and I just Retired.
We purchased a 2018 Fuzion 369 toyhauler. Sold our 30' pull trailer toyhauler. We started our RV life with a 74 western wilderness 11 1/2 ' truck camper and a 75 ford f250 camper special. A long way from our current 2022 Ram 2500 we use to pull our 5th wheel.

[flybouy]

Welcome to the forum. You might want to check the payload on your truck. That trailer is 39" long with a 17K GVW. The empty pin weight is listed as 3,120 lbs and at GVW would likely be 4K. I think that trailer would challenge the payload of most 3/4 ton trucks.

[CHIMOMMY2]

The 22 is a HD with 5th wheel puck system, it should have the 1 ton suspension, and Cummings Diesel. It should be a 20,000 payload.
We are right at its max i believe, it does pull it pretty well with the shot trips loaded with our sxs up hill not a problem, 6% grade.

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

The 22 is a HD with 5th wheel puck system, it should have the 1 ton suspension, and Cummings Diesel. It should be a 20,000 payload.
We are right at its max i believe, it does pull it pretty well with the shot trips loaded with our sxs up hill not a problem, 6% grade.

Your camper is very heavy. 17K lbs gross weight. Typically the gross weight multiplied by 23 percent will give you a good idea what your pin weight is. You pin weight is north of 3900 lbs. Add hitch, passengers, other stuff in truck and you are closing in rapidly north of 4700 lbs pin weight.

You actual legal payload is on a yellow/white placard in your door frame. It looks like this and your 3/4 ton truck is very likely heavily overloaded and if you are in any sort of accident, LEO and insurance investigators will nail you. Towing overloaded is unsafe.

[CHIMOMMY2]

Have had to upgrade our truck. Thank you for your input, and info.
I am a pretty smart person, whomever fell victim to salesperson, along with how nice this Fuzion is !

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

Have had to upgrade our truck. Thank you for your input, and info.
I am a pretty smart person, whomever fell victim to salesperson, along with how nice this Fuzion is !

I want to congratulate you on your decision to get the larger truck....that Fuzion needed it for sure. There is so much misinformation when it comes to towing, towing capacities, tow vehicles etc. that it is VERY hard for someone not used to dealing with it - and I promise, as long as you have at least a 3/4 ton there's not a salesman, truck or RV, that's going to warn you of payload capacities. Congratulations and thanks from all the other drivers on the highway for making a very wise choice.

[CHIMOMMY2]

Originally Posted by sourdough

I want to congratulate you on your decision to get the larger truck....that Fuzion needed it for sure. There is so much misinformation when it comes to towing, towing capacities, tow vehicles etc. that it is VERY hard for someone not used to dealing with it - and I promise, as long as you have at least a 3/4 ton there's not a salesman, truck or RV, that's going to warn you of payload capacities. Congratulations and thanks from all the other drivers on the highway for making a very wise choice.

Yes indeed ! Thank you !
If I knew how to post pics after we pick the truck up I will share !

[JDDilly]

Check the sticker inside the drivers door, no way it is 20,000. I think if you take it to a scale you will find out you are really close, or maxing out your trucks payload. Been there and had to upgrade my truck.

Welcome and enjoy retirement. We hope to, my wife retired in December.

[CHIMOMMY2]

Your right this says 10,000! Door sticker. Right ???
So we are way over .......... now what to do ?
I'm not understanding the weight thing very well.

[jasin1]

Others will chime in but what you are looking for is your payload sticker..it will say occupants and cargo cannot exceed x number of lbs. the 10000 your seeing is the gvwr…it’s the weight of the actual empty truck plus the payload capacity and it can’t exceed a total of 10000
It’s usually a yellow sticker on the door jamb or end of driver door itself..your payload is probably around 2500 lbs or less…your fifth wheel tongue weight probably pushes you far over

I was in your predicament myself with a much lighter fifth wheel..I had to upgrade trucks….many people before you and I were in the same boat

You need to hook up and head to a cat scale…do a site search under tow vehicles or cat scales and you should find out all you need…others will probably chime in though. Good luck

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

I'm not understanding the weight thing very well.

Just know you're not the only one!
To further confuse folks the rv/truck manufacturers tend to advertise the weights that mean absolutely nothing in the rv towing real world.

[LHaven]

So does your trailer say "HALF-TON TOWABLE" on the front, like everything else Keystone sells that... isn't?

[spicercars]

Welcome from northern MN.

[CHIMOMMY2]

Originally Posted by LHaven

So does your trailer say "HALF-TON TOWABLE" on the front, like everything else Keystone sells that... isn't?

I know right ! It does say its built so the short bed style truck can pull it lol

[CHIMOMMY2]

Originally Posted by travelin texans

Just know you're not the only one!
To further confuse folks the rv/truck manufacturers tend to advertise the weights that mean absolutely nothing in the rv towing real world.

Thank goodness I'm not the only one.
This is all great information, it kinda worried me. In talking to our friend. Whom has the same truck and pulls a 40' montana, we are at the trucks max, but like he said " we will be ok pulling it with the truck we have "

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

Thank goodness I'm not the only one.
This is all great information, it kinda worried me. In talking to our friend. Whom has the same truck and pulls a 40' montana, we are at the trucks max, but like he said " we will be ok pulling it with the truck we have "

No you are not at "the truck's max" you have far exceeded it. Your "friend" I'm guessing doesn't understand weight ratings either. That's like a 5'2" person weighing in at 350 lbs stating that they are at "an ideal weight". Clearly your truck is insufficient for that size & weight trailer. The fix is simple, buy a capable truck or replace the trailer with one that's appropriate for the truck.

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

Thank goodness I'm not the only one.
This is all great information, it kinda worried me. In talking to our friend. Whom has the same truck and pulls a 40' montana, we are at the trucks max, but like he said " we will be ok pulling it with the truck we have "

Your friend as well as you have fell victim to the meaningless numbers published everywhere for trucks & rvs.
The max tow rating for any truck means nothing in the rv world. That number was arrived at by the manufacturers using low profile utility type trailers/goosenecks loaded with all the weight directly over the axles thereby considerably lowering the tongue/pin weights. RVs are NOT low profile & the majority ofthe weight is fixed so you're unable to move it directly over the axles.
RV manufacturers publish "dry weights", is weight is obtained to day it rolled out te factory door, no batteries, no propane, most likely no spare tire & no dealer added options. Meaning you nor anyone else will ever tow it anywhere near that weight.
The pertinent numbers for you are printed on tags on both your truck & your rv. The numbers for your truck are on the driver's door jamb. The yellow/white tag is the payload number you will most likely exceed the quickest. The GVWR for your rv is on the driver's side front corner of the rv. With the rv GVWR times 23% will give you an approximate pin weight for that rv subtract that from the payload posted on your truck along with 150-200lbs for the hitch & the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that wasn't on it when it left the factory. With this calculation you'll know where you're at on your truck with your rv. DO NOT use numbers from websites, brochures, your friends truck/rv & ABSOLUTELY nothing the rv/truck salesman may have told you, use the numbers posted on YOUR vehicles.
Once you've done these calculations I'm certain you'll find you, nor your friends, are "just fine" with your current setup, but rather "just dangerous" to you & others sharing the highways with you.

[Tireman9]

Originally Posted by CHIMOMMY2

Thank goodness I'm not the only one.
This is all great information, it kinda worried me. In talking to our friend. Whom has the same truck and pulls a 40' montana, we are at the trucks max, but like he said " we will be ok pulling it with the truck we have "

I hear lots of people talking about "pulling xxx# weight" but we almost never hear any mention how long it will take to stop that train at 65 mph. If you want to know the answer to that I would suggest finding a flat straight empty road and try some hard stops at 30 mph then up the speed by 5 mph.


Maybe an empty stadium parking lot would be safer location. Don't know if we ever see accidents with 5th wheel trailers caused by acceleration. Almost always the accident is caused by sway or jackknife when trying to stop.

[JDDilly]

Post a photo of the sticker George posted and you will get a lot of help from the group.

[CHIMOMMY2]

It does say not to exceed 2209 don't know how to post pics yet .....