Gmc 3500 srw

[rhagfo]

Just watched this ad for the second time and it seems a bit miss leading. The 3500 was a crew cab standard bed. The ad has it towing a Fuzion triple axle TH. Now granted a SRW 3500 may have over 20,000# of towing capacity, what is the realistic payload, and what is the realistic pin weight of the Fuzion triple axle TH?

[chuckster57]

I’m willing to bet the pin weight is greater than the payload/RAWR.

[notanlines]

Empty pin weights for all the Fusion triple axles are in the 3600 pound range, give or take a few pounds. And no, don't go thinking that those two Gold Wings in the garage will bring this RV into 350/3500 range. It simply doesn't happen that way. This pin weight only has one direction to go and that is up. I guess a 3500 gasser could tow it off the lot, but don't put any goodies in the RV OR in the truck. And better towing with an Anderson Ultimate.

[jasin1]

Gm raised their payload capacity’s in 2021 I believe…when I looked at buying a diesel 2500 it had the same payload as some 3500s

They changed the class of their trucks

Just looking at this website from Chevy it seems they offer over 7000 lbs of payload on a 2 wd dually gas ..srw is up to 4300 with gas…will still be over with any weight in the truck or the trailer

Here is the 2500 and 3500 max payloads according to gm

I’m not saying it’s right or the trucks capable …it is just what gm decided to do

Last pic is for 2021

I don’t have a payload sticker to look at though

[flybouy]

I watched a commercial where a Toyota pulled the space shuttle and a Ford pulled a train, so there's that.....

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by jasin1

Gm raised their payload capacity’s in 2021 I believe…when I looked at buying a diesel 2500 it had the same payload as some 3500s

They changed the class of their trucks

Just looking at this website from Chevy it seems they offer over 7000 lbs of payload on a 2 wd dually gas ..srw is up to 4300 with gas…will still be over with any weight in the truck or the trailer

Here is the 2500 and 3500 max payloads according to gm

I’m not saying it’s right or the trucks capable …it is just what gm decided to do

Last pic is for 2021

I don’t have a payload sticker to look at though

This is part of it, in 2020 or 2021, both GM and Ford upped the GVWR and thus the payload of their 3/4 tons (AKA 250/2500) by moving them up to class 3 GVWR range.
Well if they put the right stuff under them they can have these large payloads.
The other side is the 3500 SRW, I will say Ram was the first to make a big leap in 2013 when the Ram 3500 SRW went to a 12,300# GVWR, which was the max GVWR for the 3500 DRW from 2004 to 2012. In 2013 the 3500 DRW jumped from 12,300# GVWR to 14,000# GVWR.

The thing I find scary is that engineers and marketing teams could come up with a 3500 SRW with a GVWR of 14,000#, they just need the correct tire and wheel combination!

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

This is part of it, in 2020 or 2021, both GM and Ford upped the GVWR and thus the payload of their 3/4 tons (AKA 250/2500) by moving them up to class 3 GVWR range.
Well if they put the right stuff under them they can have these large payloads.
The other side is the 3500 SRW, I will say Ram was the first to make a big leap in 2013 when the Ram 3500 SRW went to a 12,300# GVWR, which was the max GVWR for the 3500 DRW from 2004 to 2012. In 2013 the 3500 DRW jumped from 12,300# GVWR to 14,000# GVWR.

The thing I find scary is that engineers and marketing teams could come up with a 3500 SRW with a GVWR of 14,000#, they just need the correct tire and wheel combination!

I remember when Lee Iococca headed Chrysler Corp. and created the "K" car. Then he took that same unibody frame and drivetrain and stretched it, added more seats and the "mini van" was borne. They advertised seating 7 and if you put 7 adults in it the thing was severly overloaded. Gotta love the advertising agencies though.

[dutchmensport]

I saw the same commercial on television just yesterday. I really raised my eyebrows when I saw that advertisement. The first thought that came to mind was what someone said one had just posted on one of these RV Life forums that I read just hours earlier: Remember the 6 x 6 rule.. If the trailer has 6 wheels, the tow vehicle needs 6 wheels also. Like anything on television .... it's all for entertainment. Nothing is real on television.

[Northofu1]

I have the 2019 2500 gasser. It tows my X-Lite very nicely. There is no chance I would tow a Montana with that 6.0 l engine in a 3500. Love my truck and 5er, using a gas engine on a very large 5er is nuts.

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by jasin1

Gm raised their payload capacity’s in 2021 I believe…when I looked at buying a diesel 2500 it had the same payload as some 3500s

They changed the class of their trucks

Just looking at this website from Chevy it seems they offer over 7000 lbs of payload on a 2 wd dually gas ..srw is up to 4300 with gas…will still be over with any weight in the truck or the trailer
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Here is the 2500 and 3500 max payloads according to gm

I’m not saying it’s right or the trucks capable …it is just what gm decided to do

Last pic is for 2021

I don’t have a payload sticker to look at though

I didn’t see this sheet the first time I looked at your post!so now one can tow a 16,500# 5er with a 2500 crew cab and a 10,800# GVWR? I like having a tow rating of 25,225# to tow up to a 5er of maybe as large as 18,000#.

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

Just watched this ad for the second time and it seems a bit miss leading. The 3500 was a crew cab standard bed. The ad has it towing a Fuzion triple axle TH. Now granted a SRW 3500 may have over 20,000# of towing capacity, what is the realistic payload, and what is the realistic pin weight of the Fuzion triple axle TH?

I saw the commercial you refer to and that SRW pulling the huge 5ver. They claimed it had a 36000 lb towing capacity.

In my humble opinion, hood scoops on a truck look over the top... well, not good.

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

I saw the commercial you refer to and that SRW pulling the huge 5ver. They claimed it had a 36000 lb towing capacity.

In my humble opinion, hood scoops on a truck look over the top... well, not good.

Lol I was at a local dealer years ago buying a used Jeep Liberty limited for my daughter it was an 04…(she saved up the down payment) ..anyway the jeep was perfect except someone installed two small jeep accessory hood scoops ( glued on) same exact color of the jeep all white…it could have been a factory option idk

I was working out the deal with a salesman and I said “ I don’t like the hood scoops” …he said why? ??

I said “I don’t know I just don’t care for them…like look at that pickup truck over there” ( pointing to truck outside window on the lot) .. “ it just looks goofy to me” ……a long pause…… the salesman ….. “that’s my truck”

Another long pause…….. “yeah I think my daughter likes the jeep”

I didn’t talk about the hood scoops anymore

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

I didn’t see this sheet the first time I looked at your post!so now one can tow a 16,500# 5er with a 2500 crew cab and a 10,800# GVWR? I like having a tow rating of 25,225# to tow up to a 5er of maybe as large as 18,000#.

Russ,

If you look at the chart you posted, there's some "fancy mathmatics" in the numbers...

If you look at the crewcab long bed 4x4 the GVWR is 10850 and the GCWR is 24000 with a maximum fifth wheel weight of 16550. Doing the math, the truck at GVWR can only tow a fifth wheel trailer weighing 13150 before maxing out the GCWR. The payload is listed at 3862 (max) and, if the fifth wheel weighed 16550 with a 22% pin, the pin would weigh 3641. Add a 150 pound hitch and the trailer/hitch combo would put 3791 on the truck. With a 3862 payload, just hitching up would only leave 71 pounds for the driver... Add a Cheyenne package or leather seats and there's no weight in the payload for anything but the trailer and no driver....

There's a subnote 3 that "sort of" acts as a disclaimer saying, everything you put in the truck reduces the maximum trailer rating... In the above example, I agree, even sitting in the driver's seat means you're overloaded based on the chart maximum ratings of GVWR, GCWR and Max fifth wheel rating......

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

I didn’t see this sheet the first time I looked at your post!so now one can tow a 16,500# 5er with a 2500 crew cab and a 10,800# GVWR? I like having a tow rating of 25,225# to tow up to a 5er of maybe as large as 18,000#.

And that’s the gas version your looking at

and they got around the reduced payload of the diesel versions by making the gvwr 11550…so you don’t get penalized payload wise by going diesel

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by JRTJH

Russ,

If you look at the chart you posted, there's some "fancy mathmatics" in the numbers...

If you look at the crewcab long bed 4x4 the GVWR is 10850 and the GCWR is 24000 with a maximum fifth wheel weight of 16550. Doing the math, the truck at GVWR can only tow a fifth wheel trailer weighing 13150 before maxing out the GCWR. The payload is listed at 3862 (max) and, if the fifth wheel weighed 16550 with a 22% pin, the pin would weigh 3641. Add a 150 pound hitch and the trailer/hitch combo would put 3791 on the truck. With a 3862 payload, just hitching up would only leave 71 pounds for the driver... Add a Cheyenne package or leather seats and there's no weight in the payload for anything but the trailer and no driver....

There's a subnote 3 that "sort of" acts as a disclaimer saying, everything you put in the truck reduces the maximum trailer rating... In the above example, I agree, even sitting in the driver's seat means you're overloaded based on the chart maximum ratings of GVWR, GCWR and Max fifth wheel rating......

Not only fancy math, but these are maximum numbers based on the lowest trim level.
It is reference sheets like this that get many into trouble with too big of 5er with too small of truck.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by jasin1

Lol I was at a local dealer years ago buying a used Jeep Liberty limited for my daughter it was an 04…(she saved up the down payment) ..anyway the jeep was perfect except someone installed two small jeep accessory hood scoops ( glued on) same exact color of the jeep all white…it could have been a factory option idk

I was working out the deal with a salesman and I said “ I don’t like the hood scoops” …he said why? ??

I said “I don’t know I just don’t care for them…like look at that pickup truck over there” ( pointing to truck outside window on the lot) .. “ it just looks goofy to me” ……a long pause…… the salesman ….. “that’s my truck”

Another long pause…….. “yeah I think my daughter likes the jeep”

I didn’t talk about the hood scoops anymore

Reminds me of Caddyshack! https://youtu.be/VzPsdkTCufs

[bigdave_185]

Meanwhile my sticker on my door says 5100 I think but scale ticket is 8$&& if I remember correctly lol lies and damn lies is all the numbers give ya.

Time to buy a Motorhome

[roadglide]

Originally Posted by bigdave_185

Meanwhile my sticker on my door says 5100 I think but scale ticket is 8$&& if I remember correctly lol lies and damn lies is all the numbers give ya.

Time to buy a Motorhome

My 3500 door sticker is 3500 pay load and 7050 axel weight 1150 gvw my camper is 4 ft shorter and lighter. When I’m loaded I’m like 200 lbs under the axel weight. I’m over the 11500 lbs gvw because I have 100 gallons of fuel with the aux tank . I up graded tires with higher index load rating. The new Duramax’s have a wider body and axle along with a 10 speed transmission . Mine is also paid for and I have no intentions of upgrading to something else that may be a better TV good luck with your class A.

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by bigdave_185

Meanwhile my sticker on my door says 5100 I think but scale ticket is 8$&& if I remember correctly lol lies and damn lies is all the numbers give ya.

Time to buy a Motorhome

That is a pretty respectable payload for a 2017 GM DRW! The GM twins only had a 13,025# GVWR before about 2020, that means your empty truck only weighs 7,925#. My GVWR is 975# more and my payload is right at 5,411#.

[roadglide]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

That is a pretty respectable payload for a 2017 GM DRW! The GM twins only had a 13,025# GVWR before about 2020, that means your empty truck only weighs 7,925#. My GVWR is 975# more and my payload is right at 5,411#.

The OP signature saying is a 1 ton srw.