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07-10-2017, 04:22 PM
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Man, I really want to respond to that, but as xrated noted, everything I can think of would probably put me put in the hoosegow
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07-10-2017, 04:43 PM
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Sorry to get everyone stirred up. But this was a good discussion.
Other comments I have between the 3/4 ton and 1 ton (which I am not going to take the time to research): are the brakes the same (size, stopping distance, etc); overall weight of the vehicle differences (to avoid tail wagging the dog); other components that would impact towing safety? It is just not the axle or springs.
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07-10-2017, 04:49 PM
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One of the truckers posted about seeing a 5th wheel fall off a hitch to show there are more important risks than towing overweight. My point was the weight issue is #1 because it is controllable before you even make a purchase.
I did quickly point out that the person with the 5th wheel that came unhitched had probably gone to the hitch OEM forum and asked whether his 9.5K rated hitch could tow 15K, and was told "he was good to go"
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07-12-2017, 06:16 PM
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Towing with an overloaded truck
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Originally Posted by Cardcathrn
Ok now you all have me nervous. I have a chevy Silverado 1500 5.3L V8. with tow of 9200-9500 overall grand total of 15000 (truck and trailer) allowed. My new TT is 7704 dry and door says 8000. Also purchased the equalizer special hitch thing.
Had a really hard time finding the actual rear axle weight. Both chevy and rv assured I would be ok as long as I wasn't bringing along 2000 lbs of crud. Pretty much my husband and I only, maybe our dog.
Not full time rv'ers, more like weekenders etc.
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My TT is 2000 lbs lighter than yours and I was within 200 lbs of my previous Silverado trucks rear axle weight and GVWR when loaded with the DW, me, the little dog and 2 light weight bikes in the bed. My truck was the same as yours. I've moved up to have more safety margin. IMHO I believe you are overweight on at least one of your ratings. Your truck loaded has a GVWR of 7200 your TT dry is 7704. 7704 + 7200 is 14904. Your GCWR is 15000. Granted some of that 7704 will be on the tongue and distributed on the truck. That's why I said your truck is probably weighing in at 7200. Bottom line is if you are not over on any numbers you are close. Hit the scales loaded as you would for a trip and see what you get. That is the only way to tell for sure.
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07-13-2017, 04:31 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbos
My TT is 2000 lbs lighter than yours and I was within 200 lbs of my previous Silverado trucks rear axle weight and GVWR when loaded with the DW, me, the little dog and 2 light weight bikes in the bed. My truck was the same as yours. I've moved up to have more safety margin. IMHO I believe you are overweight on at least one of your ratings. Your truck loaded has a GVWR of 7200 your TT dry is 7704. 7704 + 7200 is 14904. Your GCWR is 15000. Granted some of that 7704 will be on the tongue and distributed on the truck. That's why I said your truck is probably weighing in at 7200. Bottom line is if you are not over on any numbers you are close. Hit the scales loaded as you would for a trip and see what you get. That is the only way to tell for sure.
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How much more safety margin do you feel comfortable having? If the GW limit is "X", then what margin below that is acceptable?
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07-13-2017, 04:52 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Desert185
How much more safety margin do you feel comfortable having? If the GW limit is "X", then what margin below that is acceptable?
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A better question might be... How much too much, is too much???
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07-13-2017, 08:51 AM
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Javi, Desert185,
Personally I think 10% is a good margin. I don't think you can ever have too much safety margin. Granted, it may not be the best/smartest use of the $$ needed to achieve that margin but in my case 200lbs could have been easily exceeded if I took additional gear or people with me. Additionally, it gave me a good excuse to upgrade the TV in preparation for a possible upgrade to a 5er next year.
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07-13-2017, 11:01 AM
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Answer to post #62. If you look up a build sheet on F250 and F350. When equipment of each is same, ei XLT etc. everything between the 2 trucks is the same except rear springs, spacer over springs and tires 8 ply vs 10 ply. When buying replacement brakes, axles bearings, there are the same part. I have checked this several times but, not since around 2008. When I purchased the listed truck, I checked the size of brakes on the f350 DRW, they listed the same brake size as my SRW. That was the season I went with the SRW, since I did not need the DRW for payload wt.. But, would have IF it had bigger, better brakes I would have got it.
And just to point out if you remove the White sticker(federal standards sticker) any cop can look up the VIN, all trucks have a vin position assigned to what the maker says the weight rating is.
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07-15-2017, 08:02 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by xrated
As an "official" old codger (I've been voted in) I have a one sentence answer to your question.
"Common sense, is not very common these days"!
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I was waiting for that! 😂
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