F250 GVWR and Hitch Weight

[pbonaventure]

I have an F250 with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and pull a Cougar 277rlswe with a 1530 lb hitch weight. The scale weight of my truck is 8,640 lbs (wife, myself, dogs, full fuel and hitch). If I'm calculating payload properly this means I have capacity for an additional 1,360 lbs. This would mean my payload is over by 170 lbs when pulling the 5th wheel. I just don't believe it! Is this a correct calculation.

2014 F250 6.7 Diesel, CC, FX4, SRW, Short Bed, 10,000GVWR
2015 Keystone Cougar 277RLSWE, Hitch 1,540, Dry WT 7820.

[JRTJH]

Yup, that's about the size of things. There have been a bunch of threads discussing the "payload inadequacy" of the 3/4 ton trucks. In the past 2 months, probably 10+ threads discussing how little payload they have. A number of those threads come to the conclusion that buying a 1 ton (for $400-600 more) is a much wiser investment. The problem is compounded even more when you rise above the "base truck" and the added optional luxuries take up a great deal of that payload.

It's better now than in the past, there is a thread currently discussing the 2004 F250 crew cab diesel and indications are that some models had "less than 1200 pounds".

[pbonaventure]

Thanks for the info. John.

[JRTJH]

I've got essentially the same truck as you (gas model) with a payload of 2700 pounds. We tow a Cougar XLite 30' fifth wheel, By the time I get everything loaded, I'm pushing my GVW. I'm OK with this truck/trailer, but if we wanted to upsize trailers, even slightly, I'd have to buy a new truck or make the conscious choice to "run overloaded". That, for me, would mean a sizeable investment in a new truck to go with any trailer that's larger than what we have.

My 99 SuperDuty, was touted when it first came out as the "biggest, baddest truck" on the market actually had significantly less payload than my 93 F250 "old style" body. Essentially it was the same engine, improved transmission and a "bigger heavier body" that took up all the extra payload capability. When I was ordering it, I was impressed, when it arrived and I put it on the scales with our Holiday Rambler hitched to the bumper, I was very much disappointed that the "bigger, badder" was also "wimpier"......

[notanlines]

P-bon, since you are probably relatively new at this, remember in most states you can ride secured in the trailer and let your DW drive. You get to take a nap, you've brought the payload back into conformance, and there won't be any of that nag, nag, nag along the way. See how easy that was.....

[Javi]

Originally Posted by pbonaventure

I have an F250 with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and pull a Cougar 277rlswe with a 1530 lb hitch weight. The scale weight of my truck is 8,640 lbs (wife, myself, dogs, full fuel and hitch). If I'm calculating payload properly this means I have capacity for an additional 1,360 lbs. This would mean my payload is over by 170 lbs when pulling the 5th wheel. I just don't believe it! Is this a correct calculation.

2014 F250 6.7 Diesel, CC, FX4, SRW, Short Bed, 10,000GVWR
2015 Keystone Cougar 277RLSWE, Hitch 1,540, Dry WT 7820.

Yep, I'm in the same boat but I already knew I was pushing the envelope when I bought the 333MKS... The truck easily handles the trailer but in the back of my mind there is always that lingering feeling of waiting for the other shoe to fall.. To that end... I've chosen the other shoe to be a new dually with 14K GVWR and that way I can travel a little easier..

[Hansel]

Originally Posted by pbonaventure

I have an F250 with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and pull a Cougar 277rlswe with a 1530 lb hitch weight. The scale weight of my truck is 8,640 lbs (wife, myself, dogs, full fuel and hitch). If I'm calculating payload properly this means I have capacity for an additional 1,360 lbs. This would mean my payload is over by 170 lbs when pulling the 5th wheel. I just don't believe it! Is this a correct calculation.

2014 F250 6.7 Diesel, CC, FX4, SRW, Short Bed, 10,000GVWR
2015 Keystone Cougar 277RLSWE, Hitch 1,540, Dry WT 7820.

I have a thread that I started after finding out our Super Duty truck's can't handle the pin weight of most 5th wheel's, heck I've even looked up the specs on the 1/2 ton towable 5th wheels and even those push the limit of pin weight.

So ya our Super Duty's are Super Wimpy in the payload carry area

That's why my next truck is going too be a 350 or 3500 series DUALLY!!!!!

[pbonaventure]

Thanks for the info.

[jsmith948]

We have a 2011 F250, 6.7L, CC, 4x4 short bed and we pull a 2012 Cougar 282RESWE (1/2 ton series). Our weights loaded up for a two-week trip with full fw and propane are as follows:

4900- steering
4920- drivers
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9820 truck gross

8000 trailer axles
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17820 GCVW

Maybe your truck is heavier due to a larger fuel tank and/or additional skid plates found on the Fx4 models?

[sourdough]

jsmith948

Your weights show that you are a bit under your GVW for the truck (10000lbs) but what about max cargo for the truck (what does your sticker say)? The chart shows a max cargo (payload of 1683lbs). Dry pin of the trailer shows to be 1270lbs. Loaded that would probably be closer to 15-1600lbs (especially on a 9000lb trlr). What am I missing?

[jsmith948]

Originally Posted by sourdough

jsmith948

Your weights show that you are a bit under your GVW for the truck (10000lbs) but what about max cargo for the truck (what does your sticker say)? The chart shows a max cargo (payload of 1683lbs). Dry pin of the trailer shows to be 1270lbs. Loaded that would probably be closer to 15-1600lbs (especially on a 9000lb trlr). What am I missing?

Well, I don't know what you are missing

The weights I provided the OP were obtained on a CAT scale. Our truck's GVWR is 10,000#. Full of fuel, loaded for the trip including me, the DW and our Yellow Lab, our truck weighs 7890#. 10,000-7890= 2110#. I don't know where you got the 1683#?

Our weights in more detail:

Steering - rated at 5200# - actual weight 4900#
Drivers - rated at 6100# - actual weight 4920#
Trailer axles scaled weight - 8000#
GCVWR is 23500# - actual wt. 17820#
GCVW of 17820 - truck weight of 7890 = pin weight of 1930#
The trailer's GVWR is 10070#
1930 pin wt. + 8000 axles = 9930#

By my calculations, I am under all of the rated weights.

[sourdough]

Well, I know what I'm missing....my brain!

I apologize for the question. I was trying to do 3 things at once, deal with an IRS situation and think about your post all while drinking NyQuil for a cold. Obviously I'm not doing any of them very well. I know better. The payload number came from a Ford chart but it is irrelevant. You've got your peas in a pod (together), I'm the one missing mine today. Again, I apologize for not focusing before typing. I'm going to take a nap maybe some of the fuzz will clear....

[jsmith948]

No worries! Been there done that!

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by pbonaventure

I have an F250 with a GVWR of 10,000 lbs and pull a Cougar 277rlswe with a 1530 lb hitch weight. The scale weight of my truck is 8,640 lbs (wife, myself, dogs, full fuel and hitch). If I'm calculating payload properly this means I have capacity for an additional 1,360 lbs. This would mean my payload is over by 170 lbs when pulling the 5th wheel. I just don't believe it! Is this a correct calculation.

2014 F250 6.7 Diesel, CC, FX4, SRW, Short Bed, 10,000GVWR
2015 Keystone Cougar 277RLSWE, Hitch 1,540, Dry WT 7820.

Now you want the real sad news?

The weights you have posted for the 5er are DRY, 10,340# GVWR you are looking at a 1,800# to 2,000# pin weight.

What is your rear axle rating and tire ratings? It is decision time bigger TV or choose to run over your TV GVWR, but within tire and axle.

[Phil/Shirl805]

pbonaventure, This is a very common thing for F-250 owners to include myself.

When we upgraded to a 2011 High country, I traded a 2008 f-250 gasser for 2010 f-250 sd diesel, so we could tow a fifth wheel, or so I thought. As it turn out I was 700 lbs my GVWR, but 460 lbs under my GRAWR

Like Javi tow and stop trailer with no problems for 4 years. But still lingered in the back of mind. To my DW dismay I now own a 2015 F-350 DRW.

I would not be surprised if you pin weigh is much higher then you listed. My High Country was listed as 1900, real weigh after loaded for weekend trips is around 2300.

[JRTJH]

Without wishing to refute or argue with previous comments, I would suggest that the following be considered when making any justification to not follow FORD's instructions contained in the owner's manual.

This warning is contained in the FORD owner's manual:

WARNING: Do not exceed the GVWR or the GAWR specified on
the Safety Compliance Certification Label.

In the definitions at the beginning of the owner's manual, this is how FORD defines a "WARNING":

"WARNING: You risk death or serious injury to yourself and
others if you do not follow the instruction highlighted by the
warning symbol."

While it is an owner's option to ultimately "run over the RV GVWR and under the GAWR, I would urge each individual to consider not only the "ratings" but the implications that may come into play by the legal system, insurance underwriters and ultimately, the sense of responsibility one must face "should there be an accident resulting in personal injury or death. Some people may have "no problem sleeping" others may spend countless nights searching for a way to cope. To each his own.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by Phil/Shirl805

pbonaventure, This is a very common thing for F-250 owners to include myself.

When we upgraded to a 2011 High country, I traded a 2008 f-250 gasser for 2010 f-250 sd diesel, so we could tow a fifth wheel, or so I thought. As it turn out I was 700 lbs my GVWR, but 460 lbs under my GRAWR

Like Javi tow and stop trailer with no problems for 4 years. But still lingered in the back of mind. To my DW dismay I now own a 2015 F-350 DRW.

I would not be surprised if you pin weigh is much higher then you listed. My High Country was listed as 1900, real weigh after loaded for weekend trips is around 2300.

Just signed the papers 3 hours ago on a '15 F350 Dually, 14K GVWR, 6040lbs payload... I will not be listening for that other shoe anymore...

[Festus2]

Originally Posted by Javi

Just signed the papers 3 hours ago on a '15 F350 Dually, 14K GVWR, 6040lbs payload... I will not be listening for that other shoe anymore...

Javi -
No more listening for "that other shoe" to drop. No more worries about payload and all that other "good stuff". What's a man to do???

Congratulations!! Enjoy your newly-found stress-free towing experiences.

[PARAPTOR]

JAVI, CONGRATS !!

Welcome to the Dually Community, even though its a FORD

ENJOY

[sourdough]

Congratulations Javi! Of course eliminating the stress will leave you with a lot of time on your hands while traveling......you'll have to come up with something else to kill the time