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Old 05-11-2022, 06:28 AM   #1
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Bathroom cold water faucet valves reversed

Normally interior faucets are "righty tighty" and "lefty loosy", but my bath sink hot water valve is correct but the cold water is reversed from normal, as is the shower. Why did they do this? How do I fix it?
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:29 AM   #2
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That faucet is very common in another brand, and the only fix is to replace it.
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:35 AM   #3
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That faucet is very common in another brand, and the only fix is to replace it.

I need to stop being amazed at how poorly these RV/TTs are built...
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Old 05-11-2022, 06:39 AM   #4
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I need to stop being amazed at how poorly these RV/TTs are built...
Forest River RVs have had that style of faucet for the last 10+ years that I know of.
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Old 05-11-2022, 07:51 AM   #5
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On "SOME" faucets with removeable stem valves, you can remove the handle, loosen the valve stem, pull it out, reverse it 180 degrees and reassemble. It's just a matter of "turning it around"....

Now, that said, note the "SOME" ..... On some cheap plastic Phoenix faucets, that won't work and with the supply chain problems, there may even be other "off brand cheap faucets" being used.... Many of them do not have removeable valve stems, so don't go "muscling your way to disassembly" on a faucet that doesn't disassemble......
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Old 05-11-2022, 08:14 AM   #6
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I don't think it has to do with quality. I have expensive bathroom faucets that work the same way. - clockwise on cold and counter clockwise on hot.
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Old 05-11-2022, 10:57 AM   #7
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Our shower faucet has lever handles and off for both of them is straight out to the sides, and open is down, so off for the hot is clockwise and off for the cold is counter clockwise, so maybe someone put a different type of knob on the faucet.
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Old 05-11-2022, 11:41 AM   #8
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My comment toward quality is my thinking that they just used the parts they had on hand and not the right parts. But in this case, as I think about it, they used different valves to do this and it was intentional. All the rest of the faucets in my life all work the same except these causing me confusion when trying to adjust the temperature.
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Old 05-11-2022, 12:09 PM   #9
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My comment toward quality is my thinking that they just used the parts they had on hand and not the right parts. But in this case, as I think about it, they used different valves to do this and it was intentional. All the rest of the faucets in my life all work the same except these causing me confusion when trying to adjust the temperature.
No, that's very unlikely that any of your "problems" were intentional...

Keystone doesn't assemble the faucets, they buy them in bulk from a supplier who ships them in conex boxes to Goshen. All the workers on the line do is pull a faucet out of the conex for each type faucet called for on the build sheet (one for the bath vanity, one for the shower and one for the galley sink) and as it goes down the line, other workers "put it in the holes and tighten up the fittings...

Nobody at Keystone assembles the faucet valves to the faucet body. That's all done "somewhere in china" by someone who probably doesn't know if the end product is going to THOR (for Keystone or Dutchman or Airstream) or to Forest River (for Wildcat or Salem or Rockwood) or if it's going to Jayco, to Camping World for retail sales or if it's going to some Amazon supplier to be sold via an internet site....

I "feel your frustration" but there's no way some worker at Keystone is "intentionally installing valve stems backwards"... All they do is put the assembled faucet in the holes and move on to the next step.
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Old 05-11-2022, 12:38 PM   #10
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I just surmised that the way these valves were made, or installed, was intentional and not by accident, or by what parts they had laying around, as was my original thinking. I think you're saying that Keystone uses what they're supplied with and in that scenario it's "pot luck" as to what actually gets installed. I'd like to think Keystone has a specification to meet for each part, but I'm probably wrong.

No biggie with these faucets. With you all's advice I'll get it setup like I want.
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I just surmised that the way these valves were made, or installed, was intentional and not by accident, or by what parts they had laying around, as was my original thinking. I think you're saying that Keystone uses what they're supplied with and in that scenario it's "pot luck" as to what actually gets installed. I'd like to think Keystone has a specification to meet for each part, but I'm probably wrong.

No biggie with these faucets. With you all's advice I'll get it setup like I want.
Keystone's "design team and engineering team" specify what faucet features they want for each trailer model. They send that information to the procurement section which advertises for "lowest bid offers" from suppliers of RV products. After negotitions, the parts are ordered and the suppliers begin acquiring them from their sources. Some may be "left overs from last year's Jayco parts" but most are "new parts requests submitted to AlliBaba or some other "conglomerate global manufacturing consortium".... Then, as the parts are built, they're put in "sealand containers" and wind up sitting off the coast of SanDiego for weeks or months as the "supply chain catches up".... As that's happening, and there's no bathroom vanity faucets in stock in Goshen, Keystone starts looking for some emergency supply to keep the line going. They may not be the same color or the same style as what was requrested by the design team, but what they can find, they install and ship.

Trust me when I say that there's likely an issue with the correct faucet sets not being produced for Keystone, so AlliBaba pulled some from a later shipment to "fill in the need" and the china worker in whatever plant in mainland china has no beef with you, the guys on the line at Keystone don't have enough time to "check faucet handle direction and the dealer probably is happy to at least have water flow out of the faucet rather than onto the floor....

There is no "sinister conspiracy to piss you off" or to try to make the lives of other Keystone buyers more "painful".... There's enough work for all of them to do and precious little time for anyone on the line to "start taking faucets apart to rebuild them before installation"....
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Old 05-11-2022, 01:08 PM   #12
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John, I greatly appreciate your input. I've never thought any of this was a plot to frustrate me, but thought it was just overall poor quality of RV/TT construction in general. And the supply chain issues you mention are probably a BIG part of the issue.
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Old 05-24-2022, 01:53 PM   #13
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After spending the past two weeks in the TT with the wife we're now pretty much used to the "backwards" cold water valves and will probably just leave it as is.
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Old 05-24-2022, 02:14 PM   #14
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Just think of it like a lever handled faucets. They all turn on towards the outlet (cold cw and hot cc) and off is away from the outlet.
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Old 05-27-2022, 06:05 AM   #15
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Faucets…

Before we even took delivery we replaced the kitchen and bathroom faucets with single handled ones. I have done the same at home. This is to save water. I find the spot for the temperature I want and can easily turn off the flow and restart as needed. We dry camp with family at least once a year and water is always an issue. Living in drought-ridden California is getting to be a bit like dry camping!
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I need to stop being amazed at how poorly these RV/TTs are built...
It is not uncommon that vanity faucets and shower faucets have valves the turn opposite directions. Has nothing to do with build quality.
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Old 05-27-2022, 07:24 AM   #17
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Before we even took delivery we replaced the kitchen and bathroom faucets with single handled ones. I have done the same at home. This is to save water. I find the spot for the temperature I want and can easily turn off the flow and restart as needed. We dry camp with family at least once a year and water is always an issue. Living in drought-ridden California is getting to be a bit like dry camping!
I wish everyone would think about conserving water and energy not only while camping but in hotels, at work, etc. So many people think that because they are camping or in a hotel that water and electricity are "free" or that they are "entitled " to use all they want because they paid for it. In truth nothing is free and you paid for a "normal" use of the utilities.

Wasting the utilities drives up costs and that is directly passed on to the consumer. My DW has family that think this way. At the beach the sliding door stays open and the air-conditioning set on 60°.
Ironically they are also the first people to kick and scream when the rates increase. I could never understand that illogical thinking.
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Old 05-27-2022, 08:59 AM   #18
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It is not in common that vanity faucets and shower faucets have valves the turn opposite directions. Has nothing to do with build quality.

You're correct. I've just been amazed at too many other things like how these shower faucets were just screwed into the thin shower wall plastic and all were stripped. I have to up size the screws slightly for the shower faucets to hang on to the wall. The only thing holding the faucets to the wall was the caulking.

I'm very new to RVs and TTs and I'm having to understand that they're not built like a house that's meant to stand for 50+ years.


EDIT: My initial assumption that the valves were installed because it was all they had in stock, and not what was correct, was wrong. I now see that the valves installed were intentional and correct, by design.
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Old 05-27-2022, 09:17 AM   #19
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After spending the past two weeks in the TT with the wife we're now pretty much used to the "backwards" cold water valves and will probably just leave it as is.
Backwards is just a point of view. I'm left handed, so backwards is forwards for me.
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