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Old 07-09-2024, 05:52 AM   #61
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For several decades we had various boats at a marina. A couple of times a year I'd see the dock piled high with the contents of a boat. The story was always the same. A patron, typically a new owner of less than 1 yr., would be telling the service manager and/or salesman that their boat has "lost power". The service manager would try to explaine the effects of accumulated weight.

The customer would "test drive" a boat with little fuel in the tank, no water, no waste water, and a MINIMUM of coast guard required safety equipment that was typically 3 small handheld flares, a whistle, life jackets for those in the boat at the time. The customer would be impressed with the acceleration, the handling, and the ride.

Sometime after purchase, the customer naturally would make their craft "comfortable" or "homey". After adding all the desired "stuff", fuel my boat had a 120 gallon tank, water, bedding, clothes, etc., it weighed considerably more. Unloading the "stuff" on the dock and going for a short ride illustrated the cumulative effect of weight.

Long post, but the intent is to attempt to help others understand "how it can happen". Fortunatly, it's a lot easier and simpler to simply weigh your rig.
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Old 07-09-2024, 07:00 AM   #62
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Hi, I get all that. We do have a trailer already. With the diesel though it pulls it with ease. Obviously handling and braking are not the same as if I'm not pulling a trailer. At this point I wish I had got the 3500 truck with the bigger payload. The brinkley 2800 travel trailer is doable but the weight is more than 4600kg allowed for a G license in Ontario. It looks like you need a class A restricted. More money and fees. They waive that requirement for 5th wheel trailers.
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Old 07-09-2024, 12:02 PM   #63
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Hi, I get all that. We do have a trailer already. With the diesel though it pulls it with ease. Obviously handling and braking are not the same as if I'm not pulling a trailer. At this point I wish I had got the 3500 truck with the bigger payload. The brinkley 2800 travel trailer is doable but the weight is more than 4600kg allowed for a G license in Ontario. It looks like you need a class A restricted. More money and fees. They waive that requirement for 5th wheel trailers.
Well I would rather pull/carry a 5th wheel than a TT any day of the week. The natural stability of a 5th wheel over a TT is night and Day!
You would be far better off watching pin weights and TV GVWR, pulling a 5th wheel, than towing a large TT with the same truck.
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Old 07-09-2024, 01:17 PM   #64
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I agree with this ^^^^^^^^

We recently went from a travel trailer to a fifth wheel and I don't care to EVER go back to a travel trailer. Best yet is that our connected road length is exactly the same with the fifth wheel as it was with the smaller bumper pull travel trailer.
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Old 07-09-2024, 04:36 PM   #65
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The truck should (could) be enough. A 23% pin weight (mine runs right at 22) would come to approx. 2800lbs. leaving you 900 to spare. From that 900 you have to deduct everything in the truck; people, hitch, camping gear etc. which would make it tight if you are using a 250lb. hitch and had 3 kids.

With a 12,200 gvwr does the dry weight show about 9995lbs. or so? The site I looked at got such a high gvwr because it said the trailer had 3960lbs. carrying capacity which seemed like a lot just looking at the floorplan/trailer.
I decided to upgrade my truck to a 3500. Located one nearby with a max payload of 3977. Much better than my 3048 I have now. That said, it would seem more options have opened up. I looked at the cougar but we don't like a window above the bed. I'm now looking at the alliance avenue 32rls. It shows 10500 dry and a massive 13995 gvwr. That's 3400lbs ccc. Crazy. Don't think I'll ever reach that. I'm thinking this truck should be enough truck???
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Old 07-11-2024, 03:55 PM   #66
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I'm still truck shopping! There are 23 and 24 2500 HD 6.6L gas GMC/Chevrolets that have 3700's or so of cargo capacity and can tow more than 14,000 lbs (up to 16,620 on a goose neck which I know if different than a 5th wheel max tow). They can also support 2500 lbs of tongue weight. Any opinions on 3/4 ton vs full ton trucks to tow an 11,000 lb dry 5th wheel trailer?
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Me to, lol. I canceled the one I located at another dealer. It had no prep package. I didn't want the after market install. Glad I did. The 3500 slt I just ordered is a 2025. They start building in August. Expect delivery by October. Just under 5200 payload capacity. Srw and with all the right upgrades for Max towing as well as the stuff for the inside. My advice is to go with a diesel for better mileage. Good luck
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I'm still truck shopping! There are 23 and 24 2500 HD 6.6L gas GMC/Chevrolets that have 3700's or so of cargo capacity and can tow more than 14,000 lbs (up to 16,620 on a goose neck which I know if different than a 5th wheel max tow). They can also support 2500 lbs of tongue weight. Any opinions on 3/4 ton vs full ton trucks to tow an 11,000 lb dry 5th wheel trailer?
The easy answer is get the one ton! Also don’t go by DRY weight, use GVWR and the 5th wheel pin is about 23% of GVW, so to be safe use 23% of trailer GVWR.
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Old 07-11-2024, 04:32 PM   #69
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Me to, lol. I canceled the one I located at another dealer. It had no prep package. I didn't want the after market install. Glad I did. The 3500 slt I just ordered is a 2025. They start building in August. Expect delivery by October. Just under 5200 payload capacity. Srw and with all the right upgrades for Max towing as well as the stuff for the inside. My advice is to go with a diesel for better mileage. Good luck
Did you verify that payload, I can see maybe 5,200# on a gas F350, but for sure not a SRW diesel. From previous post sounds like you were getting a 5th wheel that is almost 14K GVWR.
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Old 07-11-2024, 05:08 PM   #70
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Did you verify that payload, I can see maybe 5,200# on a gas F350, but for sure not a SRW diesel. From previous post sounds like you were getting a 5th wheel that is almost 14K GVWR.
Yeah, sounds a little ‘out there’ to me also. 4200-4300 maybe.
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