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Old 06-13-2024, 05:17 AM   #1
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$80 Soft Start

Hey, was looking for Soft Start for the Brinkley as I will need 2. Was cringing at name brands on Amazon and then stumbled over several knockoff Chinese?
The one linked has a scan code so you can see if yours is listed in the instructions. You need to read the comments if you go other than this one, several don't have the scan code for the instructions. Not too many list Furrion. Regardless, here is my choice.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CH8BCYWH...v_ov_lig_dp_it
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Old 06-13-2024, 05:49 AM   #2
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Personally, I wouldn't trust a very expensive piece of equipment to "low cost" device. There's a reason it's price is 1/3 or less than known, proven, name brands. It's your stuff and your money but I'm not a gambler so that would be a BIG NO for me. YMMV
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Old 06-13-2024, 05:59 AM   #3
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A couple of years after I bought my Passport with a Dometic Brisk II 13.5k AC unit, I bought a Micro-Air EasyStart soft starter (picked it up on a Black Friday special discount with the EasyTouch thermostat). Loved the function and reliability of the EasyStart.

Then, this spring when we were selling the Passport and buying our Cougar, I was thinking I needed to buy a whole new soft start. I reached out to Micro-Air, talked to a real person here in the US who told me that I can simply remove the soft start from the Dometic and reinstall it in my Furrion, then do a simple reset and relearn to the newer and larger unit. They emailed me the relearn instructions and the Furrion-specific wiring instructions. Yes, the quality units are more expensive, but customer service, ease of use, flexibility and interchangeability all make it worthwhile to me.
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Old 06-13-2024, 06:10 AM   #4
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Personally, I wouldn't trust a very expensive piece of equipment to "low cost" device. There's a reason it's price is 1/3 or less than known, proven, name brands. It's your stuff and your money but I'm not a gambler so that would be a BIG NO for me. YMMV
i 2nd the above ^^^
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Old 06-13-2024, 11:10 AM   #5
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Turns out the new one already has it built in.
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Interesting. What brand and model AC unit? I have a Furrion Chill 15k and it didn't have one, so maybe Brinkley uses a different Furrion model?
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Old 06-13-2024, 01:02 PM   #7
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Ya the Furrion Chill Cube. Only some models have it, I guess just this year?
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Old 06-13-2024, 04:38 PM   #8
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Hey, was looking for Soft Start for the Brinkley as I will need 2. Was cringing at name brands on Amazon and then stumbled over several knockoff Chinese?
The one linked has a scan code so you can see if yours is listed in the instructions. You need to read the comments if you go other than this one, several don't have the scan code for the instructions. Not too many list Furrion. Regardless, here is my choice.


https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CH8BCYWH...v_ov_lig_dp_it
I purchased an easy start for the rear heat pump 3 years ago, then added a second one purchased 2022 from Amazon branded Briidea for $129.99. We lived through a record heat wave last summer in south Texas near Laredo. Both units got a workout, especially the front unit with the Briidea. At night we ran just the front unit so we wouldn’t hear the noise of the overhead rear a/c. The racetrack ducting brought an ample cooling flow to the rear bedroom vents.
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Old 06-13-2024, 04:55 PM   #9
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@Firestation12, that is good to hear! My front unit doesn't have one, not sure yet about it but also I may have to wait or make it very simple to remove on the front unit as Furrion will not warranty any add on stuff. They apparently have the techs take pics of problem units.
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Old 06-13-2024, 07:23 PM   #10
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@Firestation12, that is good to hear! My front unit doesn't have one, not sure yet about it but also I may have to wait or make it very simple to remove on the front unit as Furrion will not warranty any add on stuff. They apparently have the techs take pics of problem units.
You have a warranty from Furrion??? Hmmmmm
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I just read about the Furrion Chill Cube unit. It is an 18k unit that uses a variable speed compressor that can act in a way that is similar to a softstart, but doesn’t incorporate a softstart as a specific component.

“What's more, our variable speed compressors smoothly ramp up to speed, eliminating excessive amperage usage and the need for aftermarket soft start devices, providing unmatched flexibility with generators.”
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Old 06-14-2024, 04:23 AM   #12
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@ NH Bulldog, thanks for saving me looking that up, We have a bundle of paperwork to sift through and learn about all the stuff in the new unit. Never bought a new RV before this is a fun experience...so far.
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Old 06-14-2024, 05:07 AM   #13
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You will find that the “soft start” device in that Furion AC is no where near the same as what a true soft start add on is..

Dometic AC units and Coleman AC units also come with a “so called “ soft start built in..

PTCR is the factory installed device on Dometic and Coleman

http://www.tiffinrvnetwork.com/crusingator/P/P-090.pdf

Schematic of Furion 15.5 AC and removal of their soft start device and install of quality soft start box

https://www.micro-air.com/support-do...Furrion15k.pdf
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Old 06-14-2024, 06:53 AM   #14
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I just read about the Furrion Chill Cube unit. It is an 18k unit that uses a variable speed compressor that can act in a way that is similar to a softstart, but doesn’t incorporate a softstart as a specific component.

“What's more, our variable speed compressors smoothly ramp up to speed, eliminating excessive amperage usage and the need for aftermarket soft start devices, providing unmatched flexibility with generators.”
Given the manufacturer’s quote, I wouldn’t fiddle with adding any adjunct to their product.
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Given the manufacturer’s quote, I wouldn’t fiddle with adding any adjunct to their product.
Further, given Furrion's lackluster reputation for durability and reliability, doing anything that might jeopardize the Furrion warranty would be a significant "out of pocket risk" that could easily turn into an "out of pocket expense"... At least for the written warranty time frame, I'd not make any "visible or verifiable product changes"....
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Old 06-14-2024, 08:06 AM   #16
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Ya know, I am sorta on the don't mess with it until out of warranty by Furrion. I have an extended warranty on the whole rig with Bish's and they have 22 locations. My generator can handle it. I don't expect to use solar for AC even a little. Both units seem to ramp up slowly and not hog a bunch of power, albeit I have not run off the genset yet. I must admit, my concerns about Furrion stuff and their reported lackluster warranty.

The wiring diagram is great, but if done i would not be able to cover up the traces of those connections.
By the way, I am most pleased with Bish's. A 2 hour orientation about the new rig, and even RV'ing for over 20 years, I learned new things. Never mind free winterizations for as long as we own the unit.
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This Chill Cube unit uses an inverter driven compressor and DC fan motors just like a common mini-split, so no soft start is needed. Reliability remains to be seen.

I've been wondering when these rooftop units would start using this technology. Also 18kbtu rating at 14FLA is pretty nice.
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Old 06-21-2024, 04:29 AM   #18
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electronics are the easiest to reproduce in a low cost manor. once you reverse engineer the circuit board its easy as most proprietary electronics are easily over 1000x markup. in reality for a company buying volume that soft start probably costs about 5 bucks to make.

the only time it becomes an issue is if the company reproducing the product uses cheaper quality capacitors and other electronic parts, which now days is far and few between as the good quality are so cheep to start with, but in the 90's 2000's if you were making 15000 parts shaving 0.20 off the cost of a part added up, so you saw lots of this. I still tend to see it in factory rv appliances, not so much the electronic components but rather in switches and plugs in side the equipment.
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