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Old 10-14-2021, 04:12 PM   #1
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fifth wheel truck bed storage

I am going to be going from a travel trailer to a fifth wheel and I was curious about truck bed storage. I have a ford f250 with a 6ft9 bed and will be getting a slider hitch. With that set up would there be room in front or behind of the 5th wheel hitch to store gas cans, a generator, or plastic tote bins? The trailer will have a cargo rack but I will be using that for bikes.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:19 PM   #2
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I don’t think there will much room in front of the slider hitch. I doubt a generator would fit, gas cans probably would.
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Old 10-14-2021, 04:30 PM   #3
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What kind of 5th wheel are you contemplating? A 3/4 will be hard pressed on a 5th of much size due to increased pin weight. Trying to carry heavy stuff like full gas cans will just exacerbate that problem. Posting the numbers from your yellow/white placard with payload capacity and the other one with gvwr would help.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:06 PM   #5
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What kind of 5th wheel are you contemplating? A 3/4 will be hard pressed on a 5th of much size due to increased pin weight. Trying to carry heavy stuff like full gas cans will just exacerbate that problem. Posting the numbers from your yellow/white placard with payload capacity and the other one with gvwr would help.
The trailer is 8,000lbs and and change dry and around 11,000 and change loaded. And a pin weight of 1300lbs. Truck is an XL and has a payload of 2960 lbs. I believe the GVWR is 19000lbs.
So even with the trailer I should have about 1600lbs for gas in the truck people and other gear. It will be close to that but I shouldn't be over. Gas in truck should be about 300lbs, people around 350-400 lbs and 30o -400lbs for other gear. I should be within the limits.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:10 PM   #6
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I have a 2018 GMC 3500HD short bed and i have a aluminum tool
box in the bed and i still have room for Generators , & Propane.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:11 PM   #7
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19000 pounds GVWR? That may be the “tow rating” but that number means nothing.

Get the GVWR of the trailer, use 23% for pin weight. A GOOD sliding hitch will tip the scales at about a buck fifty.
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Old 10-14-2021, 05:40 PM   #8
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11k trailer will have arounf 2,500 lb pin weight. Add 150 or more for the hitch and your at 2,600 lb. 2,960 - 2,530 = 430 lb remaining payload for you, the DW, dog, and anything elst that's been put in or on that truck since it left the factory.
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Old 10-14-2021, 06:08 PM   #9
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To answer the question you asked about storage space with the slider hitch …

YES… two Honda 2000s fit at backend of the slider hitch in my short bed truck.. two five gallon gas cans also fit.. and I have space left over on the backside..

At the front side of the hitch I have a low profile tool box.. there is also some storage space available on each side of my 16K slider hitch
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To answer the question you asked about storage space with the slider hitch …

YES… two Honda 2000s fit at backend of the slider hitch in my short bed truck.. two five gallon gas cans also fit.. and I have space left over on the backside..

At the front side of the hitch I have a low profile tool box.. there is also some storage space available on each side of my 16K slider hitch
Auto or manual slider? Just wondering.
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I am going to be going from a travel trailer to a fifth wheel and I was curious about truck bed storage. I have a ford f250 with a 6ft9 bed and will be getting a slider hitch. With that set up would there be room in front or behind of the 5th wheel hitch to store gas cans, a generator, or plastic tote bins? The trailer will have a cargo rack but I will be using that for bikes.

I am guessing if you multiply the gross weight of the prospective 5th wheel by 23 percent to get an approximate pin weight and check the payload of your 3/4 ton, you will find the truck will be over payload with a fifth wheel. Adding a generator compounds the payload issue.
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The trailer is 8,000lbs and and change dry and around 11,000 and change loaded. And a pin weight of 1300lbs. Truck is an XL and has a payload of 2960 lbs. I believe the GVWR is 19000lbs.
So even with the trailer I should have about 1600lbs for gas in the truck people and other gear. It will be close to that but I shouldn't be over. Gas in truck should be about 300lbs, people around 350-400 lbs and 30o -400lbs for other gear. I should be within the limits.

Your pin weight with this camper will be north of 2500 lbs. The published specs are not applicable to a delivered and loaded trailer.
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The trailer is 8,000lbs and and change dry and around 11,000 and change loaded. And a pin weight of 1300lbs. Truck is an XL and has a payload of 2960 lbs. I believe the GVWR is 19000lbs.
So even with the trailer I should have about 1600lbs for gas in the truck people and other gear. It will be close to that but I shouldn't be over. Gas in truck should be about 300lbs, people around 350-400 lbs and 30o -400lbs for other gear. I should be within the limits.
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11k trailer will have arounf 2,500 lb pin weight. Add 150 or more for the hitch and your at 2,600 lb. 2,960 - 2,530 = 430 lb remaining payload for you, the DW, dog, and anything elst that's been put in or on that truck since it left the factory.
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Your pin weight with this camper will be north of 2500 lbs. The published specs are not applicable to a delivered and loaded trailer.
The OP states a dry 5er weight of 8,000# and change and a dry pin of 1,300#, I find it hard to believe that about 50% of the payload will be added to the pin.
Depending on how the TV is loaded the OP stands a good chance of coming in within his payload and GVWR.
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Storage, move some of the stuff you carried in the bed of truck to the basement of the 5er. Carried in the TV the total weight comes off the payload of the TV, carried in the 5er only a percentage of the weight is carried on the pin, the remainder is carried on the 5er’s axles.
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Old 10-15-2021, 02:39 AM   #15
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I'd prefer that you give us the year, model and manufacturer of the 5th wheel and then we'll tell you what the PIN weight really is. From that point we can determine what you can and can't haul. Keep in mind that if you should decide to go with an auto-slider the weight jumps to about 300 pounds.
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The OP states a dry 5er weight of 8,000# and change and a dry pin of 1,300#, I find it hard to believe that about 50% of the payload will be added to the pin.
Depending on how the TV is loaded the OP stands a good chance of coming in within his payload and GVWR.
Pretty sure he's quoting the brochure for those weights from memory...

8000 pound dry x 17% equals 1300 pounds pin weight...

We all know that loaded that trailer will be more like 11,000 pounds with a 23%-25% pin weight or more like 2500 - 2600 pounds of pin weight..

If that's a new F350 it'll be 10,000 - 10.800 GVWR
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Mine is a Husky 16K manual slider.. I've never used it in 8 years.. Had I known I wouldn't need it Id have got the same hitch in non slider version...
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The OP states a dry 5er weight of 8,000# and change and a dry pin of 1,300#, I find it hard to believe that about 50% of the payload will be added to the pin.
Depending on how the TV is loaded the OP stands a good chance of coming in within his payload and GVWR.
I'm not willing to endorse what will be an obviously marginal tow vehichle with the information given. I think it's irresposible to say "you might be ok" to someone that unfamiliar with "real world vs brochure advertising numbers". When he asks about cramming generators and fuel cans in the bed of the truck he's not heading in the right direction of splitting hairs on balancing the load to make the numbers (which he has been mislead on) work for his truck.

Most folks in this situation would read that as "Just like my freindly salesman with the nice smile that gave my kid a lollipop and my dog a treat, this guy on this internet site said I'm good to go".
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Old 10-15-2021, 05:01 AM   #19
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In 2019 we traveled with a 8000W construction generator directly behind the cab of our short bed F-250 diesel and all manner of gear on the sides. Loading and unloading the trailer prevented storing gear between the hitch and tailgate. I don't know if your sliding hitch cures the problem but our gooseneck allowed the corners of the 5th wheel and the truck cab to come together when backing up. Damaged all 4 corners on that trip. Be careful and have a spotter. Our new long bed does not have that issue.
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Pretty sure he's quoting the brochure for those weights from memory...

8000 pound dry x 17% equals 1300 pounds pin weight...

We all know that loaded that trailer will be more like 11,000 pounds with a 23%-25% pin weight or more like 2500 - 2600 pounds of pin weight..

If that's a new F350 it'll be 10,000 - 10.800 GVWR
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I'm not willing to endorse what will be an obviously marginal tow vehicle with the information given. I think it's irresponsible to say "you might be ok" to someone that unfamiliar with "real world vs brochure advertising numbers". When he asks about cramming generators and fuel cans in the bed of the truck he's not heading in the right direction of splitting hairs on balancing the load to make the numbers (which he has been mislead on) work for his truck.

Most folks in this situation would read that as "Just like my friendly salesman with the nice smile that gave my kid a lollipop and my dog a treat, this guy on this internet site said I'm good to go".

Wow! tough crowd this evening! This guy is looking at towing a 11,000# GVWR 5er with a GAS F250 with a payload of 2,960#, we have a site team member that tows a 10,000# 5er with a Diesel F250, I think John would be closer on numbers than the OP.

Here are the numbers on JRTJH's (John) 5er, yes it has 1,000# lighter GVWR, but also he has a diesel TV, which eats payload from the TV.

Technical Specifications:
Length 30' 5"
Width 8'
Height (in/mm) 11' 11"
Dry Weight 7,136#
Payload Capacity 2,864#
GVWR 10,000#
Hitch Weight 1,230#

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I agree that it would be nice to have the make and model of the 5er the OP is looking at it would help with figuring numbers. In addition you always mention adding the DRIVER, only the drivers weight over 150# needs to be accounted for. I will make an assumption that the 19,000# rating is the combined weight rating to the TV.

I would say this poster has a bigger issue than the OP on this post!

https://www.keystoneforums.com/forum...597#post472597
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