Journey with Confidence RV GPS App RV Trip Planner RV LIFE Campground Reviews RV Maintenance Take a Speed Test Free 7 Day Trial ×
 

Go Back   Keystone RV Forums > Keystone Tech Forums > General RV Issues
Click Here to Login

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 06-14-2012, 04:01 PM   #1
Buckeyemurph
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8
Fiberglass Delamination

I own an older Cougar Fifth wheel and have some real problems with the fiberglass delaminating. Does anyone know if this problem is common with Keystone products as I am looking to purchase a new RV ? I believe it is definitely a design issue so I think I will try a different manufacturer. Thanks for the help
Buckeyemurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 04:13 PM   #2
2011 keystone
Senior Member
 
2011 keystone's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: wv
Posts: 504
delam. can and will happen to any brand of TT if water gets in between layers.
__________________
2002 Chevy Avalanche 5.3 k&n cold air intake
2011 keystone hideout 26b
New tv 2005 dodge lb ctd quad cab
New TT 2014 j@%$O 32BHDS
2011 keystone is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 05:15 PM   #3
Buckeyemurph
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8
Fiberglass Delamination

I guess I will not be purchasing an Rv with a fiberglass exterior. I have always taken good care of this Cougar so I am really disappointed with the Keystone product.
Buckeyemurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-14-2012, 05:19 PM   #4
SAD
Permanent User Ban
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bartlesville, Oklahoma
Posts: 1,124
You're not really coming here looking for answers...
SAD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 02:43 AM   #5
mikell
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: SW Michigan
Posts: 806
I had a Fleetwood that fell apart and the list goes on
mikell is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 04:01 AM   #6
Roberson4
Senior Member
 
Roberson4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bismarck, AR
Posts: 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikell View Post
I had a Fleetwood that fell apart and the list goes on
Same here 06 Fleetwood went back to the factory to have the whole side replaced due to delam.
__________________

2011 Avalanche 340TG
2001 Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab
B&W Companion Fifth Wheel Hitch
Had
2008 Hornet Retreat 38BHDS (Good camper)
2006 Terry 320DBHS (POS)
Roberson4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 04:13 AM   #7
Buckeyemurph
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8
Is your current RV fiberglass ?
Buckeyemurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 04:33 AM   #8
JRTJH
Site Team
 
JRTJH's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Gaylord
Posts: 26,981
I had a Holiday Rambler 34CBFK, supposedly (said tongue in cheek) one of the best. No delamination because it was all aluminum skinned. HOWEVER.... It was riveted together in a "temperature controlled" assembly line so the metal skin was at "medium temperature" and sized to fit the trailer. UNFORTUNATELY, when it sat in the sun (most of the time in Louisiana) and the skin expanded in the heat, it looked like an accordian. Talk about "oil canning" That trailer had a pretty bad case of it. I was asked more than once what ran into my trailer to squish it up like that.....

Something to be said for fiberglass. It also has it's characteristics, but so do all other types of RV materials.

I suppose there's good and bad about all of them. But to complain because an "older Cougar fifth wheel" is delaminating? The trailer that is being criticized may well be 20 years old..... I'd be happy if it were mine and lasted that long So, to put things into perspective, just how old is this Cougar?

Keystone uses fiberglass (filon) side skin purchased from an outside supplier, the same supplier who sells to a large number of other manufacturers, so if you buy from "another brand" you're still getting "keystone skin" The same is true with Lippert frames and Dexter axles.

Outside suppliers sell to most RV manufacturers and the materials used to build RVs is pretty much standard across the manufacturing line. Seldom is anything "unique" about an RV other than color, floorplan and design. The same skin, framework material, flooring, carpet/vinyl, cushions, appliances, windows, insulation and running gear go into most models produced by the vast majority of manufacturers.

No RV is without it's potential problems, not even the best..... Airstream has had its share of broken frames, buckled skin, leaks, rust, rot and malfunctioning appliances just like Keystone.
__________________
John



2015 F250 6.7l 4x4
2014 Cougar X Lite 27RKS
JRTJH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 04:33 AM   #9
Roberson4
Senior Member
 
Roberson4's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: Bismarck, AR
Posts: 133
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeyemurph View Post
Is your current RV fiberglass ?
Yes, our Avalanche is fiberglass.
__________________

2011 Avalanche 340TG
2001 Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab
B&W Companion Fifth Wheel Hitch
Had
2008 Hornet Retreat 38BHDS (Good camper)
2006 Terry 320DBHS (POS)
Roberson4 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 04:46 AM   #10
Buckeyemurph
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8
Fiberglass Delamination

My Cougar is a 2001. The delaminination started four years ago.
Buckeyemurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 05:00 AM   #11
Halibutman214
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Oregon
Posts: 192
Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeyemurph View Post
I own an older Cougar Fifth wheel and have some real problems with the fiberglass delaminating.
At least it's "older". Do a search on Lance Campers and you will see new ones have delam issues. They're not the first nor will they be the last.
__________________
2012 Passport 26BHWE
2008 Dodge RAM 6.7 Cummins (I love my truck)
and a bunch of toys I don't need
Halibutman214 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 12:09 PM   #12
SAABDOCTOR
Senior Member
 
SAABDOCTOR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: WESTERN,CT
Posts: 2,095
never had one of my glass units delam. but as is life nothin perfect but the good lord! let me know when you find a perfect product built by humans
__________________
BARNEY AND CHRISTINE
2010 MONTANA 3750FL
2005 DODGE 3500 DUALLY TD
2 RESCUE PUPS: SUSITNA AND CRYSTAL. RIP ALYESKA!
SAABDOCTOR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-15-2012, 02:33 PM   #13
SAD
Permanent User Ban
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Bartlesville, Oklahoma
Posts: 1,124
I had a 2008 Weekend Warrior 5th wheel TH. It didn't delaminates. From the outside, it looked awesome. It just rotted from the mid-wall down. Undetectable from the outside.
SAD is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2012, 10:52 AM   #14
Buckeyemurph
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Ohio
Posts: 8
Fiberglass Delamination

I believe my Cougar has fiberglass problems because it was stored outside in the Ohio winters and the melting snow and ice eventually worked its' way in. If I get a new Rv I will store it indoors or cover it up.
Buckeyemurph is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-16-2012, 01:21 PM   #15
SteveC7010
Senior Member
 
SteveC7010's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Northville NY in the Adirondacks
Posts: 2,128
It's not the weather that causes delamination. It's either moisture penetration that can be prevented by good maintenance of the joints and seams or improper bonding of the laminate layers. Thousands of RV's are stored outside in northern winter conditions without problems.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Buckeyemurph View Post
I believe my Cougar has fiberglass problems because it was stored outside in the Ohio winters and the melting snow and ice eventually worked its' way in. If I get a new Rv I will store it indoors or cover it up.



---
I am here: http://tapatalk.com/map.php?bniau4
__________________

'11 Cougar 326MKS loaded with mods
'12 Ford F250 SuperCab 6.7 PowerStroke Diesel
Amateur Radio: KD2IAT (146.520) GMRS: WQPG808 (462.675 TPL 141.3)
SteveC7010 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump

» Featured Campgrounds

Reviews provided by

Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3
Disclaimer:

This website is not affiliated with or endorsed by the Keystone RV Company or any of its affiliates in any way. Keystone RV® is a registered trademark of the Keystone RV Company.


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:56 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.9
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.