Fire at Keystone Fuzion

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by LHaven

But sometimes it is indeed spontaneous combustion.
In the mid '70s, a whole corner of the Pentagon got taken out by a linseed oil rag.
Given how these guys are known to lose hammer heads in black tanks, I wouldn't be surprised at something like that.

Fire requires fuel, air, and an ignition source. There's nothing spontaneouse about that. That ignition can be chemical, electrical, or even light but there is always a cause.

[CaptnJohn]

Sad. To see 12-16 go up on smoke. Buyers have been waiting a long time for delivery and are now back to square one. Hopefully no one was hurt. Keystone just took 3/4 million hit, hopefully insured

[jasin1]

Originally Posted by CaptnJohn

Sad. To see 12-16 go up on smoke. Buyers have been waiting a long time for delivery and are now back to square one. Hopefully no one was hurt. Keystone just took 3/4 million hit, hopefully insured

The question is do the people get their deposits back if they made one?
And if any were special ordered will they go to the front of the line as far as build dates or the back?

I’m thinking the back of the line unfortunately as the company will probably think it’s better to have 12-16 people pissed off rather then 24-32

[LHaven]

Originally Posted by flybouy

Fire requires fuel, air, and an ignition source. There's nothing spontaneouse about that. That ignition can be chemical, electrical, or even light but there is always a cause.

I'm not really interested in an argument, but the event I mentioned was the very exemplar of spontaneous combustion as that term is defined.

[flybouy]

"Due to chemical, biological, or physical processes, combustible materials self-heat to a temperature high enough for ignition to occur. According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), an estimated 14,070 fires occur annually from spontaneous combustion."

We can argue semantics but if you read what I stated I described what I bolded. I don’t beleive fires start for "no apparent reason".

[skids]

Spontaneous heating/ignition is mysterious and yet fairly common. I have seen many coal stock piles with “smokers.” It typically happens when it rains and then the sun comes out. Also it can happen when there is air movement through coal - just the right amount. All of the jugs of linseed oil have warnings about it.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by skids

Spontaneous heating/ignition is mysterious and yet fairly common. I have seen many coal stock piles with “smokers.” It typically happens when it rains and then the sun comes out. Also it can happen when there is air movement through coal - just the right amount. All of the jugs of linseed oil have warnings about it.

In our part of the world we have cotton module fires every year. Cotton is stripped, put into module builders and the module formed, placed on the ground and then covered with a plastic form fitting tarp...in the middle of a barren field. Yet, every year those things self combust and the farmer just hopes it doesn't spread to a lot of them; mysterious indeed.

[flybouy]

I'm not mystified by fire. It's a well known scientific fact why things catch on fire and why things explode. Because we don't witness or find the cause doesn't mean it doesn't exist. There is always a source of ignition, whatever that causation is it does exist. A mix of chemicals, a static spark, heat, whatever. When a tree falls in a forrest it makes a noise even if we aren't there to hear it. When a fire ignights it's because of a an ignition source. That source doesn't have to be caused by the intentional action of a human to start the fire. JMHO