WE vs non WE package

rwreuter · 07-13-2021, 03:02 PM

We have a 2018 Passport Grand Design Ultra Lite 2810BH with what appears to be a weather package (has Extended Season sticker). But the sticker by the door just says 2810BH not 2810BHWE.

For those who are certain they've the WE package does the door sticker say WE after the normal model number?

I'm asking so I can determine the size of the holding tanks....the 2810BHWE package in this model has 30 gallon grey and black but the 2810BH has larger 36 gallon tanks. Just good information to have.

Thanks

**sourdough** · 07-13-2021, 03:25 PM

A 2810BHWE is the western edition of the 2810BH.

Jimmy240 · 07-13-2021, 04:07 PM

Depending on where you buy your trailer will (most of the time) dictate wether you’re buying a west coast edition or a east coast edition. Practically the same, but I believe the roof is sometimes arched for the east coast trailers. Obviously there will be some differences as to what’s standard on one versus the other as only an added option. This has been my understanding of it, someone with more knowledge will chime in I’m sure.

FYI, extended season weather package is not a full time year round weather protection package. It simply allows you to camp longer into the colder months/climates or protect you a little more from the hotter months/climates. But it has it’s limits so be aware.

Ken / Claudia · 07-13-2021, 04:29 PM

Let us know exactly what the extended season sticker says and someone on here can quote its meaning. I have seen things like Polar package and 4 seasons on stickers. Bottom line is they not much better than nothing. Winter pipes will still freeze and break, Summer it will be really hot inside with the A/C on. In many parts of the US.

wiredgeorge · 07-13-2021, 04:39 PM

NONSENSE! The Arctic package has been tested to -50F or something according the Keystone. Its merit is as good as relying on half-ton tow-able statements. And published pin weights.... and and and. OP- Instead of worrying about temps you can camp in winter-time, ask real folks what is needed to keep the trailer from turning into a frozen Keystone-sickle. Marketing drives this stuff and it ain't to be believed verbatim.

**JRTJH** · 07-13-2021, 04:42 PM

First, Keystone doesn't produce any "Passport Grand Design" trailers...

Grand Design is the name of a competing manufacturer. Passport's model name is "Grand Touring"....

As for the "WE" designation, that represents "Western Edition" and is used to denote trailers built in the Keystone facility in Pendleton, Oregon. Trailers without the "WE" designation are built in the Goshen, Indiana facility.

The "Extended season package" was advertised in the 2018 Passport brochure as having R-7 walls and R-11 floor/ceiling insulation values. With the single pane (R-1) windows, you can pretty much be assured that as soon as the heat goes off, you're going to soon be sleeping in nothing more than a "hardwall tent".

According to the 2018 brochure, the 2810BH models built in Goshen were equipped with 38 gallon black/gray tanks while those built in Pendleton were equipped with 30 gallon tanks. Both had 43 gallon fresh water capacity. That is 37 gallons in the FW tank and 6 gallons in the water heater.

According to the brochure, the Western Edition construction features included a "snow load roof" and an "enclosed underbelly". Both the eastern and western build trailers have/had the same insulation factors.

You can download the 2018 Passport brochure here: https://keystone-rv-dealer-app.cdn.p...chure_2018.pdf

**chuckster57** · 07-13-2021, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rwreuter

We have a 2018 Passport Grand Design Ultra Lite 2810BH with what appears to be a weather package (has Extended Season sticker). But the sticker by the door just says 2810BH not 2810BHWE.

For those who are certain they've the WE package does the door sticker say WE after the normal model number?

I'm asking so I can determine the size of the holding tanks....the 2810BHWE package in this model has 30 gallon grey and black but the 2810BH has larger 36 gallon tanks. Just good information to have.

Thanks

Welcome to the forum

The best way to determine the size of the holding tanks is to use some type of measuring device. Keystone brochures and pretty much every manufacturer brochures will have a disclaimer “specs subject to change without notice”.

You MIGHT get lucky contacting Keystone with your VIN and ask for a copy of the “build sheet”, it will have pretty much everything installed in your trailer by size, brand, model, and serial number.

**sourdough** · 07-13-2021, 05:46 PM

I'm not sure what differences Keystone puts on what models in the E vs W models. I knew of the differences but figured they were probably cosmetic until I started bouncing a potential purchase of a 2020 Cougar 315RLS between FL (E) and TX (W). The E models had one of the large slides that was ram/gear driven while the W models did not have that which I thought was pretty significant if it was important to someone.

In the end I figure the E model vs W model is immaterial since I (most) won't drive to the East coast to buy a trailer with a little "xyz" that I like in that model vs what is available here in the W models.

LHaven · 07-13-2021, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by sourdough

=In the end I figure the E model vs W model is immaterial since I (most) won't drive to the East coast to buy a trailer with a little "xyz" that I like in that model vs what is available here in the W models.

Keep in mind that the "East Coast" starts in El Paso, according to Keystone.

When I was still shopping, I stopped in at a dealer's in Anthony TX to check out a "non-western edition" model of the rig I have now. Actually, I think it was the "rear kitchen" version, which they didn't even offer in the western region.

Javi · 07-13-2021, 07:08 PM

Anything Keystone claims about temperature tolerance is totally unadulterated bs..

**sourdough** · 07-13-2021, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by LHaven

Keep in mind that the "East Coast" starts in El Paso, according to Keystone.

When I was still shopping, I stopped in at a dealer's in Anthony TX to check out a "non-western edition" model of the rig I have now. Actually, I think it was the "rear kitchen" version, which they didn't even offer in the western region.

Yeah, when you're "in the middle" I'm not sure where what starts or what ends but I will say that in my neck of the woods I don't get to see the E models.

rwreuter · 07-14-2021, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JRTJH

First, Keystone doesn't produce any "Passport Grand Design" trailers...

Grand Design is the name of a competing manufacturer. Passport's model name is "Grand Touring"....

As for the "WE" designation, that represents "Western Edition" and is used to denote trailers built in the Keystone facility in Pendleton, Oregon. Trailers without the "WE" designation are built in the Goshen, Indiana facility.

The "Extended season package" was advertised in the 2018 Passport brochure as having R-7 walls and R-11 floor/ceiling insulation values. With the single pane (R-1) windows, you can pretty much be assured that as soon as the heat goes off, you're going to soon be sleeping in nothing more than a "hardwall tent".

According to the 2018 brochure, the 2810BH models built in Goshen were equipped with 38 gallon black/gray tanks while those built in Pendleton were equipped with 30 gallon tanks. Both had 43 gallon fresh water capacity. That is 37 gallons in the FW tank and 6 gallons in the water heater.

According to the brochure, the Western Edition construction features included a "snow load roof" and an "enclosed underbelly". Both the eastern and western build trailers have/had the same insulation factors.

You can download the 2018 Passport brochure here: https://keystone-rv-dealer-app.cdn.p...chure_2018.pdf

My bad on the Grand Design.

rwreuter · 07-14-2021, 03:23 AM

For those that have the "WE" edition, does it say it on the sticker next to the door?

195RBWE
199MLWE
281BHWE

**flybouy** · 07-14-2021, 03:28 AM

Go to the other side and look at the sticker with the VIN number and tire info. I would trust that more than the "advertising sticker" by the front door.

machz · 07-14-2021, 03:45 AM

From my understanding the "West version" can depend on suppliers and what is available at each location. For example my 22MLS has a front windshield because it's available where it's manufactured. The west coast version does not because they are not able to source the windshield locally.

rwreuter · 07-14-2021, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flybouy

Go to the other side and look at the sticker with the VIN number and tire info. I would trust that more than the "advertising sticker" by the front door.

It doesn't offer anything helpful.

That is why I am asking to see if anyone who has a "WE" package has the "WE" suffix on the camper model next to their door.

Sarge2 · 07-14-2021, 11:25 AM

My 2020 Passport 2600BHGT has the extended Season package as well...
It is not something that I'd expect to use in below freezing weather without a substantial amount of forethought into what I'd "really" need to actually use it for sustained periods and that bottom side corrugated plastic on the bottom sure isn't going to insulate much of anything... nor whatever added insulation they might have thrown at it or the duct work that allegedly puts warm air in it... I've been in temps of 39 or 40 degrees with it and I'll tell you it gets cold quickly... Ceramic Heater works fine to keep inside warm as well as the furnace but weeks or months of even those temps would get old very quickly.. I love my TT but looking to take it to warmer climates when I retire lol..

Yes Marketing hype is certainly what it is... Sorry no WE designation on mine that i've ever seen...

**JRTJH** · 07-15-2021, 05:01 AM

If YOUR trailer is a "WE" model, it will be listed in the "Model designation" on the VIN sticker that's located on the roadside front corner of the trailer. That signifies the trailer was built in Pendleton, OR.

If YOUR trailer does not have the "WE" annotated on the VIN sticker, then your trailer is NOT a "WE" model and was built in Goshen, IN.

Note the "model designation" on this "Western Edition trailer".

Added: If you "do the math" on the waste water declaration on the sticker, you'll come up with two 30 gallon waste water tanks.

"Mass of waste water tanks full=227KG"

1 KG of water = 3.79 gallons
227 KG = 59.89 gallons
59.89 / 2 (total number of tanks) = 29.94 gallons each

Do the math on the information found on your VIN decal and see if you come up with 30 gallons or 38 gallons in each tank... THEN, pour 5 gallon buckets of water down the galley sink drain or down the shower drain and confirm your calculations. Any other way is "pure speculation that your trailer was built using a brochure as the guide", something we all know is subject to change at any time.

rwreuter · 07-15-2021, 05:31 AM

AWESOME!

That helped alot.

**flybouy** · 07-15-2021, 05:50 AM

I would use a water meter on a garden hose to fill/ confirm capacity if the extra 8 gal is that important to you. The issue I have with 5 gal buckets is confirming that the bucket is 5 gal, then lifting it up and pouring it into a kitchen sink without spilling any. The garden hose meter is usefulbin filling and confirming the fresh water tank as well. If you're a "gotta know" type you can also use it on the city water connection if you want to monitor that.

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