Towing capacity

[Laredo Tugger]

With the weight of anything towed with 3 axles I've always felt "6 wheels in back needs 6 wheels in front" is applicable.
I do not know of any SRW 350/3500 that could safely tow that trailer. Maybe a stripped single cab 2WD long bed? I don't know, but I do know I would not try that tow with mine.
Good luck
RMc

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by MarkEHansen

By the way, not just any 1-ton dually will work. My truck (as one example) would likely be overloaded with that trailer. Even with a 1-ton dually, you need to look at the numbers and make sure they are good.

Good point as GM didn’t give DRW 3500 the 14,000# GVWR until I believe 2021. Before that it was 13,025, a loss of 925# to Ford and Ram.

[MarkEHansen]

Yeah, 13,025. I wish I had noticed that when I purchased. I was thinking "1-ton dually can do it all"

[nellie1289]

Originally Posted by MarkEHansen

Yeah, 13,025. I wish I had noticed that when I purchased. I was thinking "1-ton dually can do it all"

Not to challenge anything here, but do you really think GM changed something on the 2020 vs 2021 to achieve this difference, I highly doubt it. Or was the new body design in 2020, so the 2020 had 13025 too, then magically its 14,000 in 2021?

[MarkEHansen]

To me, it doesn't matter. I intend to honor the placarded limit.

[nellie1289]

Originally Posted by MarkEHansen

To me, it doesn't matter. I intend to honor the placarded limit.

Respect that. The other ridiculous thing i would point out is your dually at 13,025 is only 725 lbs more than my SRW ram 3500. It literally makes no sense.

[MarkEHansen]

Aside from the payload, my dually is more stable. That was another thing I wanted when I purchased it (or perhaps I've convinced myself of that to ease the pain )

[Frosty46]

Originally Posted by gbeane

Hey Keystone family, I'm in search of information in regards to towing a 2021 358 Carbon 5th wheel. Can my 2018 Silverado 2500 HD safely do the job?
Thanks!

Checked the trailer stats and it is too heavy for your truck with a tongue weight over 3k. I own Raptor MB300 pulled by Dodge Ram 2500HD with the Cummins 6.7 fully deleted with Air Lift system. The trailer is very close to overloaded for the truck but I have had no problem to date. WE get 14.7 mpg towing and over 25 empty. The Raptor has two axels and that is a good start to appraise abilities of trucks. Three axles most often mean ton truck. I have found the door label numbers to be insanely inaccurate with a safety bias of 20% or more.

You want diesel certainly and older fully deleted is your best path.

[Jacko]

You can look up the specs on that trailer by this web site: https://www.rvusa.com/rv-guide/2021-...an-358-tr48977 Hitch weight is what is gonna kill your truck, it's 3175 with the 5th wheel being unloaded..

[pdaniel]

In the 40 years I have been an RV owner I’m positive my TV was always over capacity. The common statement from the sales critters is “sure, that 1/2 ton or 3/4 ton will handle that trailer or 5th wheel.
My previous TV was a 2002 Ram 2500 Cummins pulling a Cougar X-lite 36 foot travel trailer. That exceeded the capacity of the truck.
I decided in the best interest of safety to upgrade. And I did to a 2016 Ram 3500 with the HO Cummins and Aisin transmission.
It handled the Cougar with ease and peace of mind.
I since upgraded to a heavy 5th wheel. In the process of shopping for the rig I noted the capacity of the TV. So, when I spoke with the sales person he, and being the first, asked me what my TV was capable of. I showed him and we were both satisfied.

Bottom line is to match the TV to what you will tow rather than attempting to tow with an undersized vehicle.
And never listen to the sales person.

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by Frosty46

Checked the trailer stats and it is too heavy for your truck with a tongue weight over 3k. I own Raptor MB300 pulled by Dodge Ram 2500HD with the Cummins 6.7 fully deleted with Air Lift system. The trailer is very close to overloaded for the truck but I have had no problem to date. WE get 14.7 mpg towing and over 25 empty. The Raptor has two axels and that is a good start to appraise abilities of trucks. Three axles most often mean ton truck. I have found the door label numbers to be insanely inaccurate with a safety bias of 20% or more.

You want diesel certainly and older fully deleted is your best path.

Couple things that could be argued?
First "fully deleted with Air lift system" has absolutely no bearing on the trucks ability to safely "carry" the load of any rv.
"If wanting diesel certainly older fully deleted is your best option", to me that could mean some young'un has been rolling coal & frying the tires on that truck til they decided to trade it off before it broke.
I'll stick with newer gently used with full emissions intact & legal in most any state that don't boil black smoke everywhere & you can smell for 10 minutes after they pass by.
For those newbies reading, there's nothing you can add on, modify or delete that will increase the payload or any other posted weights for a truck that's not up to the task.
To each their own though!

[notanlines]

Frosty, “ The Raptor has two axels and that is a good start to appraise abilities of trucks. Three axles most often mean ton truck. I have found the door label numbers to be insanely inaccurate with a safety bias of 20% or more. ” maybe you could reference something concrete here, or did this all appear to you in a dream? Dozens of RV’s are on the road, two axle, in excess of 20K gross.

[Camp CA]

Originally Posted by gbeane

.............towing a 2021 358 Carbon 5th wheel. Can my 2018 Silverado 2500 HD safely do the job?......z

The trailer GVWR is right about 17,000 lbs and hitch weight is ~2860 lbs dry and 3400 ls loaded (based on 20% of GVWR). Whether that truck can safely tow it depends on where it is a 6.6L turbo-diesel or 6.0L V-8 and whether is a regular, double or crew cab, long or short bed and 4 or two wheel drive and fifth wheel or goose neck hitch. I would not that much weight with that truck...........I would with a 3500 / 350 high torque diesel dually.

[beeje]

To say it simply you are clearly in dually territory with that trailer

[MarkEHansen]

Originally Posted by Camp CA

The trailer GVWR is right about 17,000 lbs and hitch weight is ~2860 lbs. Whether that truck can safely tow it depends on where it is a 6.6L turbo-diesel or 6.0L V-8 and whether is a regular, double or crew cab, long or short bed and 4 or two wheel drive and fifth wheel or goose neck hitch. I would not that much weight with that truck...........I would with a 3500 / 350 high torque diesel dually.

For 5th wheel trailers, the estimated pin weight would be 20% - 25% of the GVWR for the trailer. At 17,000lb GVWR, the estimated pin weight is between 3,400lb and 4,250lb.

[Gunny Mike]

Originally Posted by Laredo Tugger

Short answer, no. Just the pin weight of the trailer alone is going to eat up most,if not all of your payload. More detailed answers to follow I'm sure.

Hopefully you have not purchased the trailer yet. If this is the case then congratulations, you are assembling your tow combination the correct way. Getting to much trailer for your truck and then having to upgrade the truck? Yes, I am a member of that club so don't feel bad, just do what is safe for that "precious cargo" you are hauling.

If you have purchased the trailer, well...Clean up your truck and trade it for a dually. Brutal but correct advice. No other way to say it.

RMc

We signed the papers on a Montana and were about a week out from picking it up when we got the bad news and our F250. We were relying on Trailer Life magazine with weights and thought all of the weights and calculation were already calculated for RV buyers.

[wiredgeorge]

If anyone is directing comments to the OP, he hasn't been back on the forum since posting his request for the suitability of hauling around a monster camper with a bitty truck. Will someone please just tell him his truck would be perfect and maybe he will return. ;-)

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

If anyone is directing comments to the OP, he hasn't been back on the forum since posting his request for the suitability of hauling around a monster camper with a bitty truck. Will someone please just tell him his truck would be perfect and maybe he will return. ;-)

Do you mean, gather around the campfire and indulge in smoking more of the "feel good fantasy" ????

[nitrohorse]

You're looking at an F-450 to haul that 5er.

[77cruiser]

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