Ford Excursion

[RWRiley]

Son-in-Law just got a Ford Excursion Diesel, and the payload/GVWR numbers look kind of light to me.

Front GAWR=4,700
Rear GAWR=5,250
Max Trailer=11,000
Gross Combined=20,000
Payload=1,525
GVWR=9,200

That's a total axle capacity of 9,950, so why a GVWR of 9,200 ? Seems like kind of a wimpy payload/GVWR given the GAWRs.

BTW...Notice that Max Trailer is almost a good number. Closest I've seen.

[notanlines]

RW, the Excursions and the Suburbans from that era were built to be heavy and comfortable. Cargo capacity at that time was almost an unknown figure. DW put 300K on her Excursion (I believe an '04) and it served her well, but every mile we towed our Fountain (12K) we were very overloaded. And if we had the diesel instead we would have been even more so.
That vehicle is not a workhorse like he probably believed when he bought it. Bigger suspensions and heavier payloads didn't come along for a few years. But he will get a great, quiet ride.

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by RWRiley

Son-in-Law just got a Ford Excursion Diesel, and the payload/GVWR numbers look kind of light to me.

Front GAWR=4,700
Rear GAWR=5,250
Max Trailer=11,000
Gross Combined=20,000
Payload=1,525
GVWR=9,200

That's a total axle capacity of 9,950, so why a GVWR of 9,200 ? Seems like kind of a wimpy payload/GVWR given the GAWRs.

BTW...Notice that Max Trailer is almost a good number. Closest I've seen.

ALL SUV's are are great people haulers/lousy tow vehicles, it's what they're designed to do. If you want to haul people and tow anything apreciable then a 1 ton van is about the best option.

[JRTJH]

The Excursion was essentially a SuperDuty one ton with a GVW of 9500 pounds. When it first came out, it had a 8800 pound GVW (F250 chassis). Do the math on that one and you'll see a "critically undersized payload"....

The one ton diesel with the same GVW weighed in at nearly 7500 pounds, with a payload of 2000 pounds. Add 700 pounds of "rear roof and rear seats" to make it an Excursion and you wind up with a payload of 1300 pounds for the Eddie Bauer package. The XLT had around 1500 pound payload capacity...

Add a "butt to every seat position" and any Excursion was overloaded before you put the first "grocery bag" behind the rear seats......

It became a "dinosaur" too soon, but probably because of its limitations rather than its addiction to using more gas (V-10 versions) than the sheer volume of its size.....

[chuckster57]

Didn't most diesel Excursions have the ill fated 6.0?

[wiredgeorge]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Didn't most diesel Excursions have the ill fated 6.0?

I have a 6.0L and it runs super duper. Did an EGR delete and put a few bucks in a new oil cooler and recently a fan clutch but it essentially has been a fine engine with more than adequate power and doesn't drink DEF. Too many knocks on the engine I think. Lots of them out there delivering yeoman service.

[chuckster57]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

I have a 6.0L and it runs super duper. Did an EGR delete and put a few bucks in a new oil cooler and recently a fan clutch but it essentially has been a fine engine with more than adequate power and doesn't drink DEF. Too many knocks on the engine I think. Lots of them out there delivering yeoman service.

It sounds like you took care of the problem, I've seen too many that have lifted the heads due to moisture from the EGR/OIL cooler. Keep on truckin

[flybouy]

Yes the 6.0's were a good engine after you put $8-$10K in it. The V10 was popular as well. BIUL has one with the V10 gasser and it just LOVES to suck gas. The V8 versions were the worst. They really struggled to move that monster. They also had front leaf springs which made them ride horrible, god awful turning radius and were notorious for beating the ball joints to death rapidly.

Great concept. Shame they stopped making them but between the EPA causing the big three to rid themselves of the gas hogs and the "high profile vehicle" "causing" people to flip them over (never mind that they would try to drive them like they were in a NASCAR race) they were an obvious choice for Ford's chopping block.

[wiredgeorge]

Marshall, Most 6.0L trucks don't have $8-10K worth of fixes to make them reliable. I certainly don't and didn't. Even a full up bullet proof job (ARP studs, heads planed, etc) is in the $5-6K range. And my 2006 doesn't have leaf springs up front. Has shocks. The front ends on any one ton diesel need to be rebuilt now and again due all the weight. My truck does ride a bit truckish due to heavy duty shocks and 80 PSI in the tires (too lazy to deflate until we pull the camper again).

[flybouy]

Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

Marshall, Most 6.0L trucks don't have $8-10K worth of fixes to make them reliable. I certainly don't and didn't. Even a full up bullet proof job (ARP studs, heads planed, etc) is in the $5-6K range. And my 2006 doesn't have leaf springs up front. Has shocks. The front ends on any one ton diesel need to be rebuilt now and again due all the weight. My truck does ride a bit truckish due to heavy duty shocks and 80 PSI in the tires (too lazy to deflate until we pull the camper again).

Must be lower labor rates out there. I know 3 people that spent over $8K out here. Maybe they got ripped off (3 different shops). That's been a while back as most are long since either been fixed or are in the boneyard.

I'm guessing you meant yours has coil springs as they all have shocks. The three folks I refer to were pre 2006 and they all had front leaf springs on their excursions.

[chuckster57]

Friend has 6.0 and was quoted $12,000.00 for the "bullet proof" here in Cali. Found an independent person that quoted him $8,000.00.

I didnt take that job on as I dont have the space to have another truck sit in my driveway, and for the record you DONT have to lift the cab to do the job.

[JRTJH]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

Didn't most diesel Excursions have the ill fated 6.0?

The Excursion was introduced in model year 2000 and ended in 2005. It had the 7.3L Navistar diesel until the introduction of the 6.0L diesel engine in 2003. The 6.4L diesel was not introduced until 2008, so the Excursion never had that engine. As I remember it, the 2000-2003 Excursions had the optional 7.3L and the 2004-2005's had the optional 6.0L diesels, all available only with automatic transmissions in 4x2 or 4x4 drive configurations.

[chuckster57]

7.3L Navistar engine....Probably the BEST engine Ford used in the Super Duty line up.

Lets not start a "my engine is better" war. Im just stating my opinion, Havent had to deal with the 6.7 "scorpion" yet so they must be a decent engine. First couple years had valve stem issues but I would buy a new truck if it was in my budget

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by RWRiley

Son-in-Law just got a Ford Excursion Diesel, and the payload/GVWR numbers look kind of light to me.

Front GAWR=4,700
Rear GAWR=5,250
Max Trailer=11,000
Gross Combined=20,000
Payload=1,525
GVWR=9,200

That's a total axle capacity of 9,950, so why a GVWR of 9,200 ? Seems like kind of a wimpy payload/GVWR given the GAWRs.

BTW...Notice that Max Trailer is almost a good number. Closest I've seen.

If it's the 6.0, good luck to him!
My son had one & after the 3rd so called "bullet proofing", among a list of other items, & still wouldn't run he told the bank to bring a trailer & come get the POS out of his driveway, would've made a great boat anchor.

[Badbart56]

Originally Posted by chuckster57

7.3L Navistar engine....Probably the BEST engine Ford used in the Super Duty line up.

Lets not start a "my engine is better" war. Im just stating my opinion, Havent had to deal with the 6.7 "scorpion" yet so they must be a decent engine. First couple years had valve stem issues but I would buy a new truck if it was in my budget

I went from a 7.3 in my 97 F-350 to the 6.7 in my 2011 (and, yes, it's the early build that everyone says has valve stem issues) Let me tell you, while I loved the 7.3, that 6.7 is a beast! And, no! I haven't had any issues with the engine except a CAC tube leaking and the DEF heater which was a warranty item. I have over 190K on it now. Thinking of getting a 2020 just because it's got 475hp! But, nothing wrong with mine, so, we'll see. They would have to make me an offer I can't refuse!