using a friend's 2500 to tow

[Gegrad]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Forget the "towing capacity" it's just hype. Look to the numbers that matter; gvw, gawr, truck weigh and payload of tow vehicle; gvw of trailer and tongue/pin weight. You will not find a 1/2 ton that can meet all (any) of their weight limitations with a 14,000 lb. trailer strapped to it.....except in an advertisement....or that one off truck the manufacturer keeps in a warehouse somewhere. Provide the model of your trailer and I'm sure you will get some thoughts.

I do think he meant 14,000 GCWR. My 2013 has a 14,500 GCWR too, so that would not be surprising.

[sourdough]

I'll bet you guys are right. 14k behind a 5.3 is....well, it makes my eyes glaze. Thanks for putting me on the straight and narrow!

[Badbart56]

Originally Posted by 66joej

maccam1 I think that 14K might be GCWR for the new truck.

Agreed. The Chevrolet website claims the MAX configuration is 12,200 and it only has a 2100 lb. payload. That's the problem, so many folks have no idea what the numbers they're seeing mean.

https://www.jackburford.com/blog/201...g-and-payload/

[KSH]

Just had my oil and filter changed at the dealer on my ram 2500 cummins. $80. So, not too expensive.

[Javi]

Originally Posted by KSH

Just had my oil and filter changed at the dealer on my ram 2500 cummins. $80. So, not too expensive.

That's about what I pay for a straight oil and filter change, rotate the tires and fill the DEF on my F350.. once a year and then once a year I pay $180 to also change both of the fuel filters, oil and filter, rotate tires and fill DEF.. So... $260 a year..

[notanlines]

We travel more than the average bear and have found that averaging Maine, Florida, Oregon, Wisconsin and probably Arizona the average oil and filter on the diesel is $99.00. I've never had it done anywhere but Ford so I can't quote anywhere else.

[flybouy]

That 3.5 Ecobost is such a towing monster than why don't they put it in the F 250 or F 350 trucks?

Originally Posted by Badbart56

Dang Danny, he has me ready to run down to the dealer and trade my measly 400 hp 800 ft/lb F350 on an Eco-boost!

Meaz93, are you a Ford salesman?

[meaz93*]

Here you go boys-lol.... in my "Touring Engine" F150 EcoBoost towing my 9k Outback from Scottsdale to Flagstaff!
One hand on the wheel with the AC blasting....and Sirus 70's playing>Beautiful....

[Badbart56]

What is your gear ratio? The reason I ask is my dually runs 1900 rpm at 70 mph with 3;73 gears. You may have a lower final drive transmission gear.

[meaz93*]

Originally Posted by Badbart56

What is your gear ratio?

3:73 4×4 Off Road Package
5687#>Truck Dry Weight

[maccam1]

Have to wait until next week to talk to my actual salesman,was talking to someone else at another dealership,not real sure he really knew what he was talking about...
Will keep posted

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by meaz93*

Here you go boys-lol.... in my "Touring Engine" F150 EcoBoost towing my 9k Outback from Scottsdale to Flagstaff!
One hand on the wheel with the AC blasting....and Sirus 70's playing>Beautiful....Attachment 18204Attachment 18205

Well, Scottsdale to Flagstaff.....150-160 miles. 1300 ft. to 6300'? What's the grade.....2%?

I just watched a test of the ecoboost with a 10k trailer running the Eisenhower tunnel... it stayed floored and spinning up there with a normally aspirated gas engine, so....find a real hill. And, now why is it that that beast ecoboost isn't pulling the big loads in the HD trucks? Self destruction??

I travel with my trailer up and down the mountain to my my vacation home; 4000' to 9000' in 16 miles. You should put the ecoboost on something like that and see if it runs 1800 rpm...it won't - but send us a pic.

Just messing with you. You seem to be very enamored of the ecoboost; and it is, from accounts by owners that have spent the money for it, a powerful engine (for a 3.5L gas)....enhanced on "steroids" to act like a "real" towing motor. I think if you love it, go for it, but don't be misled thinking you have a real HD towing truck...you don't.

Edit: another way for anyone to know it's not an HD towing truck is you're running 49.8 lbs psi, with a 9k trailer. I'm assuming P rated tires??

Edit; here is a post from another forum on the grade of the route;

"This elevation change of about a mile in height over 125 miles in length works out to slightly less than a 1% grade on average the whole way.

[flybouy]

1% grade? LOL That's like what, a 5 mph headwind? I've driven roads in WV that are 8-9% grade for several miles. Let's hitch her up and see who's passing who. I'm thrilled that you love your truck and that it works out for you. Travel safe my friend, you only get one shot at life.

[rhagfo]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Well, Scottsdale to Flagstaff.....150-160 miles. 1300 ft. to 6300'? What's the grade.....2%?

I just watched a test of the ecoboost with a 10k trailer running the Eisenhower tunnel... it stayed floored and spinning up there with a normally aspirated gas engine, so....find a real hill. And, now why is it that that beast ecoboost isn't pulling the big loads in the HD trucks? Self destruction??

I travel with my trailer up and down the mountain to my my vacation home; 4000' to 9000' in 16 miles. You should put the ecoboost on something like that and see if it runs 1800 rpm...it won't - but send us a pic.

Just messing with you. You seem to be very enamored of the ecoboost; and it is, from accounts by owners that have spent the money for it, a powerful engine (for a 3.5L gas)....enhanced on "steroids" to act like a "real" towing motor. I think if you love it, go for it, but don't be misled thinking you have a real HD towing truck...you don't.

Edit: another way for anyone to know it's not an HD towing truck is you're running 49.8 lbs psi, with a 9k trailer. I'm assuming P rated tires??

Edit; here is a post from another forum on the grade of the route;

"This elevation change of about a mile in height over 125 miles in length works out to slightly less than a 1% grade on average the whole way.

Well Sourdough you seem to be full today, never driven from Scottsdale to Flagstaff have you!! We did about three weeks ago and there some very steep 7%+ grades for several miles. Not 7%+ the whole time but not less than 6%. That and the heat we did it was 110 to 115, we were in a car not towing.

[travelin texans]

Originally Posted by sourdough

Hmmm....

Here's a post from an unlucky ecoboost owner from another forum. Sounds like he's out a lot more than $1000 or so;

"I have a 2012 F150 4x4 Ecoboost 3.5 Platinum. I bought it last year used, with 100k miles and have never owned such a nice vehicle. I was driving home from work yesterday when I heard a loud bang followed by lots of smoke. A little icon of a wrench lit up on the display. At first I thought I blew a tire because the truck was shaking so bad, but I pulled into a side street and cut the engine because smoke was coming from under the hood. The truck has just over 124k miles on it now.

I had heard people having trouble with the turbos, so I thought maybe the right hand one blew. There was a lot of oil dripping down. Called tow truck and hauled it over to Ford to take a look. Got a call this morning that the engine had blown. They could have me running by next week and could finance the repair if I wanted...So worried, I asked how much, they said $14,900 more/less with taxes. I only paid $22k for the Truck to begin with, so there is no way on this planet I can put that into the truck.

I called around and found reman motor for about $6k, but they don't come with the turbos, and Ford said mine were now full of oil, not sure if that would make them unusable or not.

I found a pull from a salvage yard, 74k miles with turbos still on it for $3300 +300 core. I have replace an engine back in the day on my old 1992 f150 and it wasn't too difficult, but under the hood of this beast is a whole different story, not even sure where to start. Guessing a Hanes or Chilton might have R&R information in it.

So, have any of yall replaced the 3.5 ecoboost yourself? Im wondering if it is doable, and very interested in your thoughts. I didn't think a motor would blow after 124k miles, granted I didn't own it for the first 100k."

IMHO all who are towing heavy rvs regularly with the Eco Boost should read this, as I believe that will be the obituary of most of them & I don't think it'll take 124k.

[meaz93*]

Listen, until you have towed with a 5687# dry "Real Steel" 2014 F150 Boost.....I don't think you get it.
I roll into the campgrounds with Keystone Outback in tow and guys are amazed.
Truck is stable as hel*, but again E rated truck tires, (TT as well ) rear swaybar, airbags, tune, etc.., help immensely for sure
I don't expect you diesel guys to get it and I understand that.
I can unhook and have a pleasant daily driver as well.
Obviously I am at my max with a few hundred pounds to work with ....never a scary situation and within Ford towing specs.
But I also know that if I move up another 1k in weight I will most definitely need an oil burner-fact.
Truck is a blast.
You hook a 9k 38' bumper pull up to your Hemi 5.7, Tundra 5.7, Titan 5.6 or Chevy 6.2, than hit some inclines= 7% grades for a few miles towing in elevation....well see who gets up the hill first in one piece, and mpg's.

[ctbruce]

Reading this, youd think we were already in dead winter suffering from cabin fever. Y'all need to get out and go camping.

For the record, I pull my Impact 312 with a stock '80 S10, P tires, no mods, and it pulls great. Stopping is a female dog, but what the hay, YOLO.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by rhagfo

Well Sourdough you seem to be full today, never driven from Scottsdale to Flagstaff have you!! We did about three weeks ago and there some very steep 7%+ grades for several miles. Not 7%+ the whole time but not less than 6%. That and the heat we did it was 110 to 115, we were in a car not towing.

Not really full of it. Just making an observation. I told meaz I was just messing with him. I've actually not come into Flagstaff from Scottsdale per se, but I've gone there from Sedona many times, which may or may not be the direction he goes in. I've also gone into/out of Flagstaff from Winslow/Holbrook, Kingman, Tuba City (89) and hwy. 180 to the Grand Canyon....most anyway and everyway to get in or out. Is there a hump there? Yep. Is it gargantuan? No. And I probably need to see the ecoboost pulling 9k+ up a 7% grade for miles at 64mph doing 1800 rpm with my own eyes. I've not seen it in any other test.

[flybouy]

What I have observed reading this lengthy post.....

The heavy - The diesel crowd towed with lighter gassers and claim diesel is better.

The lightweight - The light truck crowd, especially Ecoboast owners, have only towed with a light truck but say the heavy crowd don't know what they are talking about unless they try it.

I like to think that I'm a logical guy, try to put emotion behind fact but for the life of me this just doesn't compute.

[Badbart56]

Originally Posted by meaz93*

Listen, until you have towed with a 5687# dry "Real Steel" 2014 F150 Boost.....I don't think you get it.

Listen, until you tow with an 8000# dry "Real Steel" dually with 400 hp and 800 ft/lbs with a 4700 payload capacity, that can pull a 21500 fiver.....I don't think YOU get it.


I think most everyone's point here is, YES, you CAN pull what you're pulling with that truck. But it's marginal and likely short lived in comparison to the 2500 and up diesel trucks. I know that's a sporty little truck, as I've ridden in one. It just appears you would be better served with a HD truck. If you had both trucks available and pulled with both of them you would understand what I mean. I moved up to this 6.7 from a dinosaur 7.3 and the difference was astounding. Try one, You'll understand