Toilet pipe filling up - Page 3

LewisB · 01-22-2021, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tech740

Those numbers are not correct. The pin weight is a part of the actual weight not another weight added it. The trailer has a GVW of 16,500lbs. 20% is 3,300 and 25% is 4,125lbs. Being a F250 the truck is limited to 10,000lbs GVW. I am guessing that hitched up that truck will be around 12K.

Yup - my bad. I was looking at post #19 where the trailer payload had not been included. So I was adding that in and should have backed out the pin weight. Sorry. I think the underlying concern expressed by a bunch of us is that this is a pretty significant case of overload!

Thanks.

tech740 · 01-22-2021, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by LewisB

Yup - my bad. I was looking at post #19 where the trailer payload had not been included. So I was adding that in and should have backed out the pin weight. Sorry. I think the underlying concern expressed by a bunch of us is that this is a pretty significant case of overload!

Thanks.

Agreed. I started with a 2500 ram and 15,500 fifth wheel. I added the airbags and thought I was good. Scaled it and I was 11,750 on a 10,000lb truck. My lieutenant (a Michigan State Police Trooper) on the FD with me was asking me about the weights one day and said most likely I wouldn't have an issue but in an accident it would get weighed. Wasn't long after that I had a 3500.

cavie · 01-23-2021, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by bourbonguy

Has anyone had a problem with their toilet pipe to the blackwater tank filling up when the tank itself is empty? I don't know why it keeps plugging, I always use RV toilet paper, could the pipe in the tank from the toilet be too long and not have enough clearance with the tank bottom to drain properly? 2020 montana 3931FB

No need to use RV TP.

cavie · 01-23-2021, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by bourbonguy

I know the tank is empty because the sensors are reading empty for one and I was able to access the drain valve and removed it, this allowed me to see into the tank consequently verifying that it was indeed empty.

Don't be so cockey. If you do a little research you will find that the sensors are VERY unreliable. Mine have not worked in 16 years!!!

cavie · 01-23-2021, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bourbonguy

I can not see the bottom of the tank through the toilet, it looks like there is an elbow

Two 45's. most 5er's with front bedroom toilets are set up that way. As posted before Are you keeping the black valve closed? Are you putting 5 gal of water in the black tank after dumping? Are you going #2 with a full bowl of water?

rhagfo · 01-23-2021, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bourbonguy

Has anyone had a problem with their toilet pipe to the blackwater tank filling up when the tank itself is empty? I don't know why it keeps plugging, I always use RV toilet paper, could the pipe in the tank from the toilet be too long and not have enough clearance with the tank bottom to drain properly? 2020 montana 3931FB

Well most likely have a poo pile at the base of the down pipe. We get these usually after having guest stay.
I pour some detergent then fabric softener down the pipe and let it set about 30 minutes.
Then fill a large bucket with HOT water and dump a couple bucket fulls down the drain, this will usually wash the pile away.

rhagfo · 01-23-2021, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by flybouy

Next subject that will come up will be the weight of a 41' trailer with a GVWR of 16,000 lbs. and pin weight of potentially 3,700 lbs. plus the weight of the fifth wheel hitch in the bed on the back of a F250. I'd urge you to look at the yellow and white "tire inflation guide" on the driver's side door frame and note the number listed as maximum payload. You could have over 4,000 lbs in that truck when loaded up to go camping. I'm not aware of any 3/4 ton truck with that kind of payload capacity.

The OP would be likely exceeding the payload for a 2016 F350 SRW also. In 2016 max GVWR was 11,500# for SRW.

LHaven · 01-23-2021, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by MaryKay2

There are services that will clean your tanks.

My dealer offers a "tank sanitize" service (he doesn't do it in-house, he jobs it out) for about $140. Pricey, but when you get the tank back, it's factory clean, and if you learned your lesson since, it might stay that way.

wiredgeorge · 01-23-2021, 04:34 PM

I wonder if a pressure washer would be an effective poo pyramid killer? I use a magic wand now and again as I have an old trailer and fear the pyramid was started by the pharaoh himself back in 2002.

**flybouy** · 01-23-2021, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

I wonder if a pressure washer would be an effective poo pyramid killer? I use a magic wand now and again as I have an old trailer and fear the pyramid was started by the pharaoh himself back in 2002.

I don't think I'd want to be behind the nozzle of a pressure washer stuck down a toilet.

Then you'd have a big "cleanup on aisle 3" afterwards.

**sourdough** · 01-23-2021, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by flybouy

I don't think I'd want to be behind the nozzle of a pressure washer stuck down a toilet.

Then you'd have a big "cleanup on aisle 3" afterwards.

Crud! I was hoping my hazmat suit and goggles were going to take care of it. Dang!

wiredgeorge · 01-23-2021, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by flybouy

I don't think I'd want to be behind the nozzle of a pressure washer stuck down a toilet.

Then you'd have a big "cleanup on aisle 3" afterwards.

Was thinking you could open the dump valves and kind of gasket around the nozzle inserted into the commode so to avoid splash. Just an idea if the guy has a 2 1/2" drain pipe plugged enough to where it won't drain. You could also fashion a piece of metal that was bendable that could be bent as it was inserted and poke around? I haven't done these things and would consider taking the RV tank to a dealer for a flush I guess as well.

**flybouy** · 01-23-2021, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by wiredgeorge

Was thinking you could open the dump valves and kind of gasket around the nozzle inserted into the commode so to avoid splash. Just an idea if the guy has a 2 1/2" drain pipe plugged enough to where it won't drain. You could also fashion a piece of metal that was bendable that could be bent as it was inserted and poke around? I haven't done these things and would consider taking the RV tank to a dealer for a flush I guess as well.

Commercially there are services that use a high pressure water pump and nozzle on the end of a hose/cable that can be run thru waste lines. They call it "jetting" out the lines. As flimsy as the tanks are I wouldn't want to get a power washer nozzle too close to the tank itself. I used a car wash wand to clean out a gray water tank on an old camper but that was from the drain end so the nozzle was a couple of feet from the tank itself. It was still like taking a shower and wouldn't recommend doping it on a black water tank.

**JRTJH** · 01-23-2021, 07:52 PM

There are companies that specialize in cleaning "poo pyramids" and I'd guess they charge a pretty penny for the service. Here's just one of many that came up in a Google Search for "RV black tank cleaning service".

https://kleentank.com/

bobbecky · 01-23-2021, 08:14 PM

This might be the thing you can use to unclog a pyramid if that is what the problem is. https://tanktechsrx.com/product/plugged-tank-kit/ A couple years ago, I used just the TankDRx for Plugged Black Tanks to clear the father-in-law's black tank in his TT, as he got lazy and wasn't closing the black tank valve. I dumped a full bottle into the tank along with a lot of water, and let it sit for several weeks. I finally drained the tank and was then not getting the foul smell when flushing the toilet and it was working properly. I then started treating it with the TankTechsRx and made sure the valve was closed except when draining the tank. I'm sure there are similar products that will work for this just as well.

Third Degree · 01-28-2021, 08:18 AM

I recommend you not flush the TP at all. Get a small trash can with a lid and instruct guests to put it in the can not the toilet. Every time that I had a plug or issue it was because of the TP. Not anymore.

Oh, yeah, for the sake of the tow police here, yes it will add about 3-4 pounds to his payload.

travelin texans · 01-28-2021, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Degree

I recommend you not flush the TP at all. Get a small trash can with a lid and instruct guests to put it in the can not the toilet. Every time that I had a plug or issue it was because of the TP. Not anymore.

Oh, yeah, for the sake of the tow police here, yes it will add about 3-4 pounds to his payload.

This has been recommended several times & I have to say that's absolutely gross!!!!! With my DW that will NEVER EVER happen in my rv. If that works for you, by all means do so, but do don't expect to find that bucket in my bathroom. It's bad enough dealing with draining the black tank, sure ain't gonna haul it out by the bucket full.
We full-timed for 10+ years, been rving for 40+ years, using the DWs favorite 2 ply septic safe TP & have NEVER had a tank or piping plug up or any other issues due to using TP.
If the manufacturer didn't intend you putting TP down the toilet there would be signs stuck all-around stating DO NOT FLUSH TP.

Third Degree · 01-28-2021, 08:45 AM

Nobody is suggesting you put a bucket there. You are probably the type of person that has an open trash can in the kitchen anyway.

rhagfo · 01-28-2021, 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Third Degree

I recommend you not flush the TP at all. Get a small trash can with a lid and instruct guests to put it in the can not the toilet. Every time that I had a plug or issue it was because of the TP. Not anymore.

Oh, yeah, for the sake of the tow police here, yes it will add about 3-4 pounds to his payload.

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Originally Posted by travelin texans

This has been recommended several times & I have to say that's absolutely gross!!!!! With my DW that will NEVER EVER happen in my rv. If that works for you, by all means do so, but do don't expect to find that bucket in my bathroom. It's bad enough dealing with draining the black tank, sure ain't gonna haul it out by the bucket full.
We full-timed for 10+ years, been rving for 40+ years, using the DWs favorite 2 ply septic safe TP & have NEVER had a tank or piping plug up or any other issues due to using TP.
If the manufacturer didn't intend you putting TP down the toilet there would be signs stuck all-around stating DO NOT FLUSH TP.

Agree 100%!!!!
So gross to have soiled TP even a tightly sealed container!
TP doesn’t clog the pipe, lager soft poo without enough water behind it will splat on the bottom of the tank and stick!

Bob Landry · 01-28-2021, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by travelin texans

Neither of which add ANY payload capacity to ANY truck. By adding those items & their weight only reduced the available payload of your truck further.
Most modern day trucks will "pull" most anything, their ability to "carry", or stop, that much weight safely is the issue.
It wasn't stated that you can't "pull" that rv with your truck, obviously you are & will continue to, just trying to make you aware that you are overloaded (probably by a 1000+ lbs) & concerned for you & your families safety along with others on the highway along side of you.

You also have to factor in the cost of attorney fees and settlement amounts if you are ever in an injury accident and were deemed by an investigator that you were over max capacity with your truck.

This obviously is not a good forum to post comments that you are "getting away with it".

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