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11-16-2020, 10:47 AM
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Junior Member
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Location: Townsend
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New Memebr
Just bought a Cougar 27SGS as step up from a bumper pull trailer that was too long and on a truck that was too small! Pulls way better now!
Let me clarify, I got another truck as well!
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11-16-2020, 03:09 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Picacho, Az
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GaDawg
Just bought a Cougar 27SGS as step up from a bumper pull trailer that was too long and on a truck that was too small! Pulls way better now!
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CURIOUS!
You bought a 30'+ 5th wheel due to your truck being too small for your TT?
WHAT truck do you have?
Normally it goes the opposite direction.
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Full-timed 10+ years
Sold '13 Redwood FB
Traded '13 GMC Denali DRW D/A
Replacement undetermined
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11-16-2020, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2020
Location: Willamette Valley Oregon
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OK, I'll say from Oregon...…..
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2020 Keystone 291RLS
2014 Ram 1500 EcoDiesel 4x4 Crew 3.92
EAZ-Lift Recurve R3 #1200
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11-16-2020, 04:58 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Townsend
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I had a 34 ft bumper pull trailer being pulled by a GMC Sierra 1500 3L diesel. Wasn’t comfortable with it especially getting air from trucks going down the road.
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11-16-2020, 06:16 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: Picacho, Az
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GaDawg
I had a 34 ft bumper pull trailer being pulled by a GMC Sierra 1500 3L diesel. Wasn’t comfortable with it especially getting air from trucks going down the road.
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I'd bet a cup of coffee & a dozen donuts that that truck will be overloaded with that 5th wheel!
Check the yellow/white sticker on the drivers door post of YOUR truck, it states "occupants & cargo must not exceed XXXX lbs", that's the payload for that truck. Regardless of the ridiculous max tow weight you've seen or read that payload along with the axles weights posted on the other tag on your door post are the numbers you need to work from.
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
With your 5er GVWR at 10k+ equals over 2300lbs not to mention the weight of the other items I mentioned, doubtful your 1500 has that much payload. Yes Keystone calls it a "1/2 ton towable" but as you'll find when crunching the numbers it's definitely misnamed.
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Full-timed 10+ years
Sold '13 Redwood FB
Traded '13 GMC Denali DRW D/A
Replacement undetermined
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11-16-2020, 06:44 PM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Modesto
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Keystone website says 1495 kingpin. That would be before anything like propane and batteries. What does your payload sticker say?
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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11-17-2020, 01:55 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Townsend
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Quote:
Originally Posted by travelin texans
I'd bet a cup of coffee & a dozen donuts that that truck will be overloaded with that 5th wheel!
Check the yellow/white sticker on the drivers door post of YOUR truck, it states "occupants & cargo must not exceed XXXX lbs", that's the payload for that truck. Regardless of the ridiculous max tow weight you've seen or read that payload along with the axles weights posted on the other tag on your door post are the numbers you need to work from.
With YOUR 5th wheel use the GVWR from the manufacturer tag on the drivers side front corner of the RV & calculate 23% of that for a good average pin weight of your rv. To that pin weight add 100-125lbs for the weight of the hitch plus the weight of everyone/everything in/on your truck that did not come from the factory & subtract those weights from the posted payload of your truck.
With your 5er GVWR at 10k+ equals over 2300lbs not to mention the weight of the other items I mentioned, doubtful your 1500 has that much payload. Yes Keystone calls it a "1/2 ton towable" but as you'll find when crunching the numbers it's definitely misnamed.
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It would have been, which is why I got a new truck, which would have helped with the other trailer. Have a Ram 2500 4x4 w/ 6.7 Cummins diesel....and actually it’s close on payload but is way better then the setup I had!
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11-17-2020, 02:13 AM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Townsend
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Quote:
Originally Posted by chuckster57
Keystone website says 1495 kingpin. That would be before anything like propane and batteries. What does your payload sticker say?
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I got an entirely new set up, even though they tried to tell me my GMC would be fine. I knew better.
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11-17-2020, 04:32 AM
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Site Team
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Modesto
Posts: 20,349
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Nice truck!!
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2012 Copper Canyon 273FWRET being towed by a 1994 Ford F350 CC,LB,Dually diesel.
Airlift 5000 bags, Prodigy brake control, 5 gauges on the pillar.Used to tow a '97 Jayco 323RKS.
Now an RVIA registered tech. Retired from Law enforcement in 2008 after 25+ yrs.
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11-17-2020, 04:41 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2020
Location: Shavano Park
Posts: 115
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Welcome, and congratulations on a new rig. This is my first cummins, it's awesome.
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Mike and Sandy
2022 Montana HC 295rl with Reese Goose Box
2021 Cougar 29bhs (first RV) (sold)
2016 Ram 2500 4x4 diesel 3.42
San Antonio, TX
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11-17-2020, 04:59 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Saginaw Mn
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Welcome from northern MN.
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11-18-2020, 12:49 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2019
Location: Oregon High Desert
Posts: 1,554
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Hello and welcome aboard!
Enjoy your new setup!
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Gary & Deb (44 years)
RV: Keystone 2013 Alpine 3495FL
TV: 2014 RAM 3500HD Laramie Long Box, 6.4 HEMI, 4x4, 4.10's, with Mopar Puck system, and a B&W Companion hitch.
Retired Firefighter/EMT.
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11-18-2020, 01:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2016
Location: South Jordan, Utah
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Welcome from Utah!
You're Cougar is a little bigger and heavier than ours but really close. You're going to love the diesel difference and the tow-ability with the fiver. We're super happy with ours.
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2017 Cougar 279RKSWE
2007.5 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins
Retirement Training Completed
I think the little voices in my head have started a chat group.
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11-18-2020, 02:30 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2020
Location: jackson
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Welcome from NH.
I did something similar. Although my 2016 Ram ecodiesel worked out with the numbers our first trip was a long one so we upgraded to a new 2020 Ram Cummins. I felt comfortable towing with both, but the torque is so great getting on the highway and the diesel brake is just a big asset I don't know how I've towed all these years (good size boat and trailer cars) without it.
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JXNBBL (Jay)
Jackson, NH
2021 Keystone 330BHS
2023 Ram 3500 6.7L diesel, 3.73 ratio
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11-18-2020, 05:23 PM
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Junior Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Townsend
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jxnbbl
Welcome from NH.
I did something similar. Although my 2016 Ram ecodiesel worked out with the numbers our first trip was a long one so we upgraded to a new 2020 Ram Cummins. I felt comfortable towing with both, but the torque is so great getting on the highway and the diesel brake is just a big asset I don't know how I've towed all these years (good size boat and trailer cars) without it.
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Love the jake brake for sure!
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11-18-2020, 09:55 PM
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Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Boerne
Posts: 35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GaDawg
I got an entirely new set up, even though they tried to tell me my GMC would be fine. I knew better.
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Beautiful truck and Cougar
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11-21-2020, 05:44 PM
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Member
Join Date: Nov 2020
Location: Port Royal
Posts: 98
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Love my Cummins. My second.
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2018 RAM 3500HD, CC, DRW, 4X4, 6 Sp., 408 Cu.In. CTD 3.73
2020 Carbon 348
USMC Vet
Retired Asst. Fire Chief
Keep Calm, Play Tuba
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11-21-2020, 06:20 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: Monroeville
Posts: 1,550
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Beautiful setup!
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2014 Bullet Premier 29bh in Charocal
2019 Ram 2500 HD 4x4, CC, 6.4L
2011 Passport 2510RB (Sold)
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11-27-2020, 08:30 AM
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Member
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Beavercreek
Posts: 60
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Welcome to the site..We also purchased a 2020 27SGS. and love it. Do your cabinet doors open all the way next to the recliners, or are yours open. There was a engineering flaw in the design. Ours only open half way if that because of the slides.
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Beavercreek Ohio
2020 Cougar Half Ton 27 SGS
2009 Silverado 2500 HD
Ext cab short bed
6 liter gas..3:73
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11-27-2020, 09:07 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2019
Location: Richmond
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Welcome from Michigan...
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