Keystone 5th wheel hitch weight

Loum35 · 07-23-2021, 04:42 PM

COUGAR HALF-TON 24RDS

Anyone who owns one and has weighed it at CAT scale, what was the hitch weight?

Thanks

**chuckster57** · 07-23-2021, 05:28 PM

Pin weight will depend on how many batteries, how much propane in the tanks and how much “stuff” is in the front compartment. If you know the GVWR of the trailer you can figure 23% of that will be ballpark.

fjr vfr · 07-23-2021, 05:37 PM

The specs say it has a gross weight of 10,000lbs so you figure pin weight at 20% of gross and you come up with 2,000lbs of pin. Remember the hitch, passengers and anything else in the truck are part of the trucks payload. If you have a driver and passenger you're probably looking at around 2,600lbs of payload.
Of course this is and estimate and not a substitute for actually taking to the CAT scale and spending the $10 to weigh it, but it's probably pretty close to what it will be.

**sourdough** · 07-23-2021, 05:38 PM

Someone else's pin weight will mean next to nothing to the next guy with the same trailer due to the zillion loading/accessory choices we each make. We each need to know our own, or without an actual scale, use the calculations that Chuck recommended.

travelin texans · 07-23-2021, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

COUGAR HALF-TON 24RDS

Anyone who owns one and has weighed it at CAT scale, what was the hitch weight?

Thanks

I will say that it's been proven on here time after time with other owners that its most definitely not within the weight limits of most 1/2 ton trucks if that's your reason for asking. Rest assured "1/2 ton towable" is strictly a sales gimmick, as is "4 season", "Polar" or "Artic" in reference to RVs.
Don't fall for "the rv dry weight is only XXXXlbs & my truck is rated to tow XXXXXlbs", both those numbers are ABSOLUTELY useless in the real rv world.

rhagfo · 07-24-2021, 04:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

COUGAR HALF-TON 24RDS

Anyone who owns one and has weighed it at CAT scale, what was the hitch weight?

Thanks

Well you likely don't even have the 1,430# of the dry pin available, once you put in a hitch, passengers in your truck. Just wondering what the listed payload of your truck is off the Yellow payload sticker on the door jam?

Loum35 · 07-24-2021, 06:06 AM

I agree the name is incorrect. I am looking at some 3/4 ton trucks. Do not want to go to 1 ton.

JDDilly · 07-24-2021, 06:12 AM

Don't rule out a 1 ton before you look. The physical size is the same as a 3/4, but trucks with the same options you would have more access payload with the 1 ton. the cost difference is really not much.

Badbart56 · 07-24-2021, 06:13 AM

For probably less than a thousand dollars more you could get a one ton over a 3/4 ton and have much more capability and practically the same ride and handling? Why may I ask would you be against doing that?

rhagfo · 07-24-2021, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

I agree the name is incorrect. I am looking at some 3/4 ton trucks. Do not want to go to 1 ton.

There no physical size difference between a 3/4 ton and one ton SRW, just a difference of about 2,000# in payload.
Save yourself a lot of grief and just get a one ton to start with.

**chuckster57** · 07-24-2021, 06:22 AM

I will jump on the 1 ton band wagon. Doesn't have to be a DRW but you'll be YEARS ahead of needing to upgrade again if you get a 1 ton. I have a DRW because I got a real good price back in 2008. I'm glad I did when I had a flat on the drivers side rear I/S wheel with my old Jayco hitched on probably about 2500 pounds of kingpin.

**JRTJH** · 07-24-2021, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

I agree the name is incorrect. I am looking at some 3/4 ton trucks. Do not want to go to 1 ton.

Almost all 1 ton trucks "ride and comfort" is identical to 3/4 ton trucks that are equipped with the same options. As far as I know, all three manufacturers use the same body, same chassis and same interior comforts in both models.

The ride is "nearly identical" because the springs are "nearly identical". The 1 ton "extra capacity" comes from larger rear axle and overload springs. When both trucks are "lightly loaded and riding on the springs" they ride the same. When both trucks are "heavy loaded, the 3/4 ton is OVERLOADED and the 1 ton rides on the OVERLOAD springs" the 3/4 ton is "overloaded" and the 1 ton continues safely traveling down the road.

The difference in cost is between $550 and $1000 depending on which manufacturer you choose. The difference in versatility is priceless.

As an owner of a 3/4 ton diesel that I bought when the 1 ton was too tall to fit in my garage, I can assure you that my payload is a "crutch" or an "anchor" that prevents me from being able to use the truck like I could if I'd have just remodeled the garage and put in a taller damn door....

Don't make the same mistake that me and many others did. Start with the 1 ton, the ride is the same but the truck is significantly more useful.

**sourdough** · 07-24-2021, 10:55 AM

I hate to sound like a broken record but forget the 3/4 ton. I can think of no reason to make that stop when looking for a tow vehicle....although I did and for a stupid reason that many run afoul of; I thought I would never get a bigger trailer. I won't go into the story behind THAT little tale but regardless I own a 1 ton now and should have bought one in the first place.

As others have mentioned there are no downsides to going 1 ton aside from a very minimal increase in cost but the upsides far outweigh that small amount. As far as ride, which I was concerned about - adjust the tire pressure. My 3/4 and 1 ton ride/rode literally identically given the same air pressure and airing down makes the 1 ton quite comfortable - especially with the butt chiller on when in FL....

Loum35 · 07-24-2021, 01:16 PM

JRTJH

What is the payload of your 3/4 diesel and what brand?

I am probably a year out from buying. Everyone replying has me going to look at 1 tons.

Thanks all.

**JRTJH** · 07-24-2021, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

JRTJH

What is the payload of your 3/4 diesel and what brand?

I am probably a year out from buying. Everyone replying has me going to look at 1 tons.

Thanks all.

I have a 2015 F250 Lariat 6.7l diesel 4x4 SB 156" WB. GVW is 10,000 and payload is 2104 pounds. I've seen some "similar trucks" in King Ranch and Limited options with payloads below 1900 pounds.

Loum35 · 07-24-2021, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JRTJH

I have a 2015 F250 Lariat 6.7l diesel 4x4 SB 156" WB. GVW is 10,000 and payload is 2104 pounds. I've seen some "similar trucks" in King Ranch and Limited options with payloads below 1900 pounds.

Thanks. The 2104 payload is low. At 10k gvwr it would not work with the 5th wheel I am looking at.

Thanks

**chuckster57** · 07-24-2021, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

Thanks. The 2104 payload is low. At 10k gvwr it would not work with the 5th wheel I am looking at.

Thanks

What 5th wheel are you looking at?

**JRTJH** · 07-24-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loum35

Thanks. The 2104 payload is low. At 10k gvwr it would not work with the 5th wheel I am looking at.

Thanks

It won't work with any fifth wheel that I'm looking at either, which is why I said "As an owner of a 3/4 ton diesel that I bought when the 1 ton was too tall to fit in my garage, I can assure you that my payload is a "crutch" or an "anchor" that prevents me from being able to use the truck like I could if I'd have just remodeled the garage and put in a taller damn door...."

Use my "hindsight" to prevent being in the "same corner" that I'm in.... Just remodel the damn garage and get the slightly taller but SIGNIFICANTLY more capable" truck.....

Loum35 · 07-24-2021, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by chuckster57

what 5th wheel are you looking at?

cougar half-ton 24rds

**chuckster57** · 07-24-2021, 03:21 PM

1430 kingpin. IIRC that’s more than mine.

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